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Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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George Bush was a progressive Republican who pretended to be conservative. And yes he started alot of the crap that has excellerated 10 fold under Obama. And yes I repeat myself in saying that this man wants to be a dictator. And I know you dont care cause he's your boy.

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"Progressive" already has a real definition. So you tyring to co-opt it into meaning "everything I don't like" is an inappropriate and invalid use of the word.
 
What is off the chart is your mind numbing ignorance for what is taking place right before your very eyes.

So I'm ignorant until I think Obama is like Hitler or Castro as you put it? I'll let other readers determine the ignorance of what they are reading in here.
 
I'd say this is off the chart rhetoric but such ridiculous rhetoric is so common-place now that I don't think there is a chart any more.

I would say your rhetoric is in outter-space, but NASA is now a Muslim outreach orginization.
 
I would say your rhetoric is in outter-space, but NASA is now a Muslim outreach orginization.

WHat rhetoric have I said in this thread you so object to?
 
George Bush himself would have supported a dictatorship, he said so. Just as long as he was the dictator he said. Partisan Americans are the problem. Some few keep pointing this out but it doesn't seem to matter.
Why do you think I support Bush? I dislike the progressive Elitist Republican establishment almost as much as the Progressive far left administation. My attitude is lets do away with these crooks in both parties that are only screwing the people.
Washington needs a thorough housecleaning and term limits imposed. No more career politicians!
 
Why do you think I support Bush? I dislike the progressive Elitist Republican establishment almost as much as the Progressive far left administation. My attitude is lets do away with these crooks in both parties that are only screwing the people.
Washington needs a thorough housecleaning and term limits imposed. No more career politicians!

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"Progressive" already has a real definition. So you tyring to co-opt it into meaning "everything I don't like" is an inappropriate and invalid use of the word.
 
Quote ONE president that promised to, "fundamentally transform", America. We're waiting...

Oh, good grief, guy. Your argument reminds me of some of the people I've taken care of who have OCD - they fixate on one certain thing and aren't able to tear their eyes away from that one certain thing. You're fixated on one tree...and because of that, you can't see the forest as a whole.
 
*protip

"Progressive" already has a real definition. So you tyring to co-opt it into meaning "everything I don't like" is an inappropriate and invalid use of the word.

Similar false use of such a word would be equivalent to "Saurkraut tastes nasty. Therefore saurkraut is conservative."
 
Oh, good grief, guy. Your argument reminds me of some of the people I've taken care of who have OCD - they fixate on one certain thing and aren't able to tear their eyes away from that one certain thing. You're fixated on one tree...and because of that, you can't see the forest as a whole.

Oh, good grief, guy...your argument reminds me of my uncle that kicked in the head by a horse...
 
"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." --Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000
 
So I'm ignorant until I think Obama is like Hitler or Castro as you put it? I'll let other readers determine the ignorance of what they are reading in here.
All I said he had in common with Hitler that he wanted to replace the constitution as Hitler did with the German constition, no more. Put your glasses on & Read my post again if you have to. Also if you studied Obama's past he was a huge Saul Alinsky supporter. Alinsky was a Marxist, Castro was a Marxist and a Dictator. Obama is doing his damnest to become one & impose his radical agenda. Now he's going about it differently than Castro but idealogically they are very similiar. Heck he thought so much of the Castros that he had to shake the hand of the leftist murderer Raul Castro. You are probably a nice guy but it appears you cant see the forest thru the trees as what Obama means by fundemental change is painfully obvious to many.
 
*protip

"Progressive" already has a real definition. So you tyring to co-opt it into meaning "everything I don't like" is an inappropriate and invalid use of the word.
There have been Progessives in the Republican party since the days of Teddy Rosevelt. A real conservative would not have grown the size of government the way Bush did. Theres no way you could classify him as conservative. Moderate at best. Of course he's not going to tell the Conservative base who he really is or he wouldnt have gotten elected.
 
Sorry, but I don't recall Obama lying us into a major war. I don't recall the Obama administration outing a CIA agent in time of war because the CIA agent's husband pointed out the Obama administration was lying. I don't recall Obama pressuring attorneys general to start election-fraud investigations just prior to an election when the attorneys general themselves said the charges were bogus, based on no credible evidence. I don't recall Obama taking over in times of an economic surplus, and leaving America's economy in the worst shape it had been in since the Great Depression.

I don't recall the Obama administration having a cabinet meeting ten days after he was first inaugurated where the main topic of discussion was the invasion of a country that had not attacked us and posed no clear and present danger to America. I don't recall Obama himself being personally warned - several times! - of an impending attack by al Qaeda...and then pointedly ignoring said warning. I DON'T RECALL OBAMA FLYING OUT OSAMA BIN LADEN'S FAMILY FROM AMERICA WHILE ALL THE REST OF AMERICA'S CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT WERE GROUNDED.

No, guy, Obama's administration is a hell of a lot better than Bush's. He's got a lot of faults - liberals like myself will tell you lots of his faults, just like you surely could point out Bush's faults.

But you know what? Ask liberals what Dubya did that was RIGHT, and most of us (like myself) will tell you that he DID do some things that were right. On the other hand, do you personally know any conservatives at all who would have the guts to say what Obama's done that was right? Scarce as hens' teeth, huh? You can find conservatives who can easily point out what Hitler and Stalin and Mao did that was right...but almost never Obama.

In other words, liberals have a heck of a lot less of a problem looking at both sides of the story, at saying what BOTH sides do that is right or wrong. Conservatives...not so much. This has been shown before in a scientific study concerning conservatives and liberals and cognitive dissonance. Of course, since that was a scientific study saying something you wouldn't want to hear, the demographics make it extremely likely that you'll completely disregard the results of the study and its implications.

And THAT, sir, is why you assumed I wouldn't defend Bush - because even if you personally might actually defend Obama concerning this or that decision, the vast majority of conservatives would not, could not bring themselves to do so...and you assumed that I was like them. FYI, I strongly admire Bush 41 and I've said many times - with good reason - that Reagan was one of the five best presidents ever.

Didn't think you'd hear that from a proud liberal, didja?

You made a cogent argument, except that it avoided the question and point.

I get the liberal / democrat position, I used to be quite liberal, and well, you won't get the point that it's both parties that are working towards a common agenda put together by the sponsoring corporate interests.

I also never said that obama's crimes MIRRORED bushes crimes, which I'm well aware of, but now the hypocrites are supporting the same calibre of crimes from "their guy" and their party.

If you ACTUALLY supported bush, as you claim, then you are truly an exception rather than the rule.

The study is really not that important, the results were pretty close regardless...

I bet you could get similar results by the time Obama is done with the country.

Anyway, this all sidetracks from the point. That both parties are owned and controlled by the same vested interests.
 
All I said he had in common with Hitler that he wanted to replace the constitution as Hitler did with the German constition, no more. Put your glasses on & Read my post again if you have to. Also if you studied Obama's past he was a huge Saul Alinsky supporter. Alinsky was a Marxist, Castro was a Marxist and a Dictator. Obama is doing his damnest to become one & impose his radical agenda. Now he's going about it differently than Castro but idealogically they are very similiar. Heck he thought so much of the Castros that he had to shake the hand of the leftist murderer Raul Castro. You are probably a nice guy but it appears you cant see the forest thru the trees as what Obama means by fundemental change is painfully obvious to many.

I missed the speech where Obama wanted to replace the constitution as Hitler did.
 
All I said he had in common with Hitler that he wanted to replace the constitution as Hitler did with the German constition, no more.

That's it? No more?

Iron Yank said:
Obama is not like Hitler in alot of ways

Apparently you think he is like Obama in more than just one way... at least that is the way it appears in the way you worded that.

Iron Yank said:
Put your glasses on & Read my post again if you have to. Also if you studied Obama's past he was a huge Saul Alinsky supporter. Alinsky was a Marxist, Castro was a Marxist and a Dictator.

It's time for you to Check your sources.

Not at any time. I've never joined any organization—not even the ones I've organized myself. I prize my own independence too much. And philosophically, I could never accept any rigid dogma or ideology, whether it's Christianity or Marxism...

The greatest crimes in history have been perpetrated by such religious and political and racial fanatics, from the persecutions of the Inquisition on down to Communist purges and Nazi genocide.

-- Saul Alinksy

You need to realize that although Glenn Beck uses Saul Alinky's name a lot, he is not an authority on Saul Alinsky. In fact, he's completely ignorant of Saul Alinsky. He just likes saying the name because the last syllable of his last name makes him sound Russian and scary.

Iron Yank said:
Obama is doing his damnest to become one & impose his radical agenda. Now he's going about it differently than Castro but idealogically they are very similiar. Heck he thought so much of the Castros that he had to shake the hand of the leftist murderer Raul Castro. You are probably a nice guy but it appears you cant see the forest thru the trees as what Obama means by fundemental change is painfully obvious to many.

He's not like Castro. He's not Raul's friend just because they shook hands at a political function anymore than Donald Rumsfeld was buddies with Saddam Hussein when he shook his hand. I also think you are probably a nice guy but you can't see the light when you are always forcing yourself to always see red.
 
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I missed the speech where Obama wanted to replace the constitution as Hitler did.

How could you fundementally change a country without al least omitting parts of it? Havent his actions spooken louder than words?

I'm just dumbfounded that people cant see parallels between this guy & dictators of the past
 
You made a cogent argument, except that it avoided the question and point.

I get the liberal / democrat position, I used to be quite liberal, and well, you won't get the point that it's both parties that are working towards a common agenda put together by the sponsoring corporate interests.

I also never said that obama's crimes MIRRORED bushes crimes, which I'm well aware of, but now the hypocrites are supporting the same calibre of crimes from "their guy" and their party.

If you ACTUALLY supported bush, as you claim, then you are truly an exception rather than the rule.

The study is really not that important, the results were pretty close regardless...

I bet you could get similar results by the time Obama is done with the country.

Anyway, this all sidetracks from the point. That both parties are owned and controlled by the same vested interests.

That is the truth. It has been said that we really have only one political party, but it has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing. There is a reason Wall Street Firms and Corporations donate to both parties. Firms like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup etc. You can bet it is out of civics, it is to ensure that regardless of who wins, the winner owes them. These folks aren't stupid, you can bet they get a good return for their cash. If they didn't they wouldn't be giving all that money to the political parties. They will get their political favors in return.

Most people are too interested in the R and the D, they refuse to open their eyes to see what is really happening. You are correct, if one took off their deep colored red or blue glasses and stuck cotton in their ears to drown out the slogans, the rhetoric and talking points and just watched how Bush and Obama governed, they would see the two govern quite similar. But that R and D blocks this from their view. They have bought into the propaganda the two parties espouse.

So regardless of party, regardless whether it is Obama or Bush, it is business as usual. Taking care of those who gave them their money.
 
There have been Progessives in the Republican party since the days of Teddy Rosevelt. A real conservative would not have grown the size of government the way Bush did. Theres no way you could classify him as conservative. Moderate at best. Of course he's not going to tell the Conservative base who he really is or he wouldnt have gotten elected.

Growing the government isn't the definition of progressive. That's how you are using it. That is wrong. Bush and Teddy Roosevelt couldn't be more different so I can't see how you could possibly tie the two together as progressives cut from the same cloth.
 
That is the truth. It has been said that we really have only one political party, but it has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing. There is a reason Wall Street Firms and Corporations donate to both parties. Firms like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup etc. You can bet it is out of civics, it is to ensure that regardless of who wins, the winner owes them. These folks aren't stupid, you can bet they get a good return for their cash. If they didn't they wouldn't be giving all that money to the political parties. They will get their political favors in return.

it's funny because if you watch their political donations, they tend to often mirror the polls. They want to be able to tell the winner that they were REALLY for them all the time as indicated by how they gave them more money. You'll see surges in donations at the very end when a winner becomes more apparent.

well... it's funny if it weren't so damn sad.
 
How could you fundementally change a country without al least omitting parts of it? Havent his actions spooken louder than words?

I'm just dumbfounded that people cant see parallels between this guy & dictators of the past

Hell! I see parallels between this guy and presidents of the past. Partisans have got to STOP allowing their presidents to do end runs around our constitution!
 
That is the truth. It has been said that we really have only one political party, but it has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing. There is a reason Wall Street Firms and Corporations donate to both parties. Firms like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup etc. You can bet it is out of civics, it is to ensure that regardless of who wins, the winner owes them. These folks aren't stupid, you can bet they get a good return for their cash. If they didn't they wouldn't be giving all that money to the political parties. They will get their political favors in return.

Most people are too interested in the R and the D, they refuse to open their eyes to see what is really happening. You are correct, if one took off their deep colored red or blue glasses and stuck cotton in their ears to drown out the slogans, the rhetoric and talking points and just watched how Bush and Obama governed, they would see the two govern quite similar. But that R and D blocks this from their view. They have bought into the propaganda the two parties espouse.

So regardless of party, regardless whether it is Obama or Bush, it is business as usual. Taking care of those who gave them their money.

Wow! I think I've seen more progress in this thread than any. Enough Americans ever come to this realisation and we may just be able to repair what's wrong.
 
You made a cogent argument, except that it avoided the question and point.

I get the liberal / democrat position, I used to be quite liberal, and well, you won't get the point that it's both parties that are working towards a common agenda put together by the sponsoring corporate interests.

Um, you're conflating the influence that corporations peddle with campaign contributions with the desires of the voting public. If you'll notice, liberals strongly support a living wage...or at least a significantly higher minimum wage. This is something that corporate America does NOT want...and you'll find very, very few GOP politicians who support such a move.

So...no. While we liberals have our faults, who was it that most strongly wanted to get rid of or at least water down the Consumer Finance Protection Act? Who is it that most strongly supports public and private unionization...and who wants to weaken or get rid of such unions?

Okay? If you and I had been having this discussion ten or fifteen years ago, you'd have a stronger argument...but due to the polarization of the parties, the Democrats are becoming more liberal - and thus less corporatist - than before.

I also never said that obama's crimes MIRRORED bushes crimes, which I'm well aware of, but now the hypocrites are supporting the same calibre of crimes from "their guy" and their party.

With the possible exception of the NSA (and even that one's arguable), name even ONE of Obama's actions that even come close to the caliber of the crimes by the Bush 43 administration that I listed, beginning with his lying us into a major war on false pretenses.

If you ACTUALLY supported bush, as you claim, then you are truly an exception rather than the rule.

I said that I support and admire Bush 41 - not Dubya - and that I hold Reagan to be one of our five best presidents ever. I voted for both of them and don't regret doing so. The reason I say that about Reagan, btw, is because he won the Cold War, which threatened all of human civilization, without a single nuke being launched. He was the guy in charge at the critical point, he gets the credit. That alone should ensure his place among our greatest presidents, and that - along with the fact that he brought back a great deal of pride to America and helped us to escape the doldrums we'd been in since we lost the war in Vietnam - is about the only great thing he did. But it was truly a very great thing indeed.

Bush 41 was also a very good president - though most of us probably didn't see that at the time. One of the hallmarks of a very good or great president is the ability to ignore the wishes of his own party...and that's what Bush 41 did when he raised taxes. Frankly, I give him more credit for the mid-90's economic boom than I do Clinton. That, and Bush was very, very smart for choosing not to continue on to Baghdad. I wish his son had listened to him.

The study is really not that important, the results were pretty close regardless...

It's not important to those who would not like its conclusions.

I bet you could get similar results by the time Obama is done with the country.

If you really got to know liberals, you'd know the gripes we have about Obama, too. Would you like for me to link to articles showing my dissatisfaction with Obama? I can do that. I can post another link if you like to an article where I stated that it may well be that while Reaganomics was disastrous for our economy, it was good for the world as a whole in that it effectively became "wealth redistribution" to many third-world nations.

Anyway, this all sidetracks from the point. That both parties are owned and controlled by the same vested interests.

And I gave concrete examples above how this cannot be the case.
 
Yea! I hate it when a President wants "make sure our kids are getting the best education possible". And nothing pisses me off more than a President who wants to be "making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance". And I'll be damned if I am going to sit idle when a president wants "to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”

:cuckoo::cuckoo:

Unfortunately, the post above is a fair demonstration of the level of education and thought that most voters will bring to the process.


Well, golly gee whillickers, if he says he's only gonna do good things, why shouldn't he be allowed to effectively toss our Constitution overboard?


:roll: Democracy ensures we will be governed no better than we deserve.





But you know what, it's okay. Because crap like this establishes a Precedent. The Republican President of 2017 should announce that in order to "create jobs" and "help our children learn" and "take care of our elderly" while "saving children from slavery", "stopping animal abuse", and "making everyone feel loved", he is unilaterally reforming the entitlements, applying anti-monopoly law to Unions, voiding Obamacare, dramatically reducing tax and regulatory complexity, getting rid of the Department of Education, and ending Agricultural Subsidies, the National Labor Relations Board, all tariffs, estate taxes, and the minimum wage. If Congress complains, he can simply declare them to be in recess, meaning that their complaints have no legal power.


What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Grant powers to the Presidency beyond its' Constitutional scope, and you can get f-----d right back.
 
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