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Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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I don't usually agree with Obama. But if he has plans that might better our country and the only reason it seems he cant get it passed is because republicans have to fight everything he does and he has the power to make that decision without their consent then go for it. Whether anyone likes him or not we elected him president and bi partisan bickering is keeping anything from being accomplished in this country. If the democrats and republicans cant get anything done, what choice would a person have? Do nothing? He'll get ****ted on for that too. He was voted in, and the only way we will know if these policies will work or not is to try it. Alternatively, do nothing. Because at this time I am not aware of any alternative. People are suffering over these political games.

I love it when I see this argument.

Yes he was elected President to do HIS JOB as president. Now he wants to do Congress' job.

Do you remember all of the members of Congress were elected to do THIER JOB?

Should Congress start doing the Presidents' job? How about Congressmen making decision for the Supreme Court? Would you be OK with that?

Should they switch? Is there room for that in the constitution?
 
that is what people thought about Hitler in 39

Doesn't change anything I said right now. If you want to Godwin a thread, go elsewhere. You can apply that Bull**** rhetoric to any sitting president.
 
It's the lamest of arguments to say that the Republicans should yield to Obama because he was elected. Actually, it's laughable, since, get this, the Republicans were also elected. Obama has proven that he could not care less about the economy, all his plans are designed to increase government power and size. I consider it the Republican's duty to stop him from further damaging this country.
 
Doesn't change anything I said right now. If you want to Godwin a thread, go elsewhere. You can apply that Bull**** rhetoric to any sitting president.

It applies like it or not
 
Yeah, what we have is worse than North Korean leaders, Saudi Kings, and Iran's leaders. :roll:

And people on the right wonder why people ignore them sometimes or just call them crazy. It's because of rhetoric like this.

Yes, what Obama said was horrible and if he were to make good on that claim I would support complete impeachment charges. However, to say what we have is worse than kings or dictators is simply stupid rhetoric.

He ALREADY DID DO THIS!!!

Each time he changed obamacare law to suit his needs he did just this thing that you claim you would want to see him impeached over.
 
I get that folks (on the Right) don't want tyranny from the Executive branch of gov't, but it always cracks me up when folks cherrypick what they want to hear from the President' s speeches or press conferences and completely ignore the context or intent behind his words. Moreover, how can people who claim to be all for a thriving economy through free market solutions and job growth in the private sector be so pissed about the President using his executive powers to spur private sector job growth when and IF Congress fails to act?

Tyranny. ... dictatorship. ..abuse of power. ..I get all that...know exactly where folks are coming from. But damn, people...overhype and exaggerate much?
 
I get that folks (on the Right) don't want tyranny from the Executive branch of gov't, but it always cracks me up when folks cherrypick what they want to hear from the President' s speeches or press conferences and completely ignore the context or intent behind his words. Moreover, how can people who claim to be all for a thriving economy through free market solutions and job growth in the private sector be so pissed about the President using his executive powers to spur private sector job growth when and IF Congress fails to act?

Tyranny. ... dictatorship. ..abuse of power. ..I get all that...know exactly where folks are coming from. But damn, people...overhype and exaggerate much?

Ok, so how many rules should he be allowed to violate or modify as he sees fit?

He's now done more and far worse violations than bush, who in spite of treating the constitution as worthless, at least followed the process.

Then there's the issue of precedent, Bush set a level of precedence a that Obama has expanded On, next, assuming Obama does not himself become a dictator, has set new precedences making it easier for the next person to expand on obama's abuses and be even more likely to become a full-fledged dictator.
 
That is our system though. You don't just get to decide to work outside the system when you don't like the results. The simple fact is it isn't Obama's decision to make, it's the people's decision by act of electing representatives.

Obama has failed at leadership because as a president, he should be able to convince Congress that his actions are just. If he can't do that (which he hasn't), then that's just tough beans.

Each presidency we see more and more power being either given to the president or the president takes. Eventually, we will have a dictator if it keeps following this trend. I don't think Obama is a dictator, however, I do think he's crossed the lines of what I find acceptable behavior. And it will only get worse each presidency at this rate.

How exactly is the President to convince Congress that his actions are just when atleast one half of Congress had decided not to work with him? Remember the "one-term president" agenda Sen. McConnell proclaimed as his mission? Not to work with the President, but rather to do everything possible to render him ineffective.

Just how convincing can a person be to those who choose not to listen or corporate with him?
 
How about the dream act, for one? Which Congress did not pass.

So you don't know what a signing statement is, but goshdarn it if Obama may have used one it angries up your blood.

Here's a hint, a signing statement can't go on a law not passed. Something tells me you're one of those types who decided to oppose Obama before he even took office since so far you're 0-6.
 
I consider it the Republican's duty to stop him from further damaging this country.
Tell us more about the unconstitutional signing statements Obama put on laws that were never passed.
 
How exactly is the President to convince Congress that his actions are just when atleast one half of Congress had decided not to work with him? Remember the "one-term president" agenda Sen. McConnell proclaimed as his mission? Not to work with the President, but rather to do everything possible to render him ineffective.

Just how convincing can a person be to those who choose not to listen or corporate with him?
The same way Blacks should get along with the Klu Klux Klan. If violence breaks out it's because the Blacks didn't try hard enough to look for solutions to appease The Klan.
 
Ok, so how many rules should he be allowed to violate or modify as he sees fit?

He's now done more and far worse violations than bush, who in spite of treating the constitution as worthless, at least followed the process.

Then there's the issue of precedent, Bush set a level of precedence a that Obama has expanded On, next, assuming Obama does not himself become a dictator, has set new precedences making it easier for the next person to expand on obama's abuses and be even more likely to become a full-fledged dictator.

If what you say were true don't you think he'd be impeached by now? As for this new "precedent" you're parroting from Conservative talking, there's always the Supreme Court to declare his actions unconstitutional.

President reigned in...problem solved.
 
The same way Blacks should get along with the Klu Klux Klan. If violence breaks out it's because the Blacks didn't try hard enough to look for solutions to appease The Klan.

Really?

I won't even begin to tell you how foolishly ridiculous you sound not to mention absurd.
 
So you don't know what a signing statement is, but goshdarn it if Obama may have used one it angries up your blood.

Here's a hint, a signing statement can't go on a law not passed. Something tells me you're one of those types who decided to oppose Obama before he even took office since so far you're 0-6.

Where did I say anything about some signing statement? That's your little constraint you are trying to use to restrict the argument. Apparently, in your small world, Obama can do any unconstitutional thing he wants, as long as it wasn't with a signing statement! LOL! That is some compelling point you got there!

Wow, what brilliance!
 
Really?

I won't even begin to tell you how foolishly ridiculous you sound not to mention absurd.
How is it different than those who propose Obama "make peace" with Republicans and work with them?
 
LOL! This is pathetic!

You're the one who claims Obama put signing statements on the dream act. Pathetic indeed. I'm done with you.

Anthony60 just declared he doesn't know how to make an argument and that no one should bother to listen to anything he says.
 
If what you say were true don't you think he'd be impeached by now? As for this new "precedent" you're parroting from Conservative talking, there's always the Supreme Court to declare his actions unconstitutional.

President reigned in...problem solved.

Oh ya, who up there has the balls to start impeachment proceedings?

We'll, it's the precedents set by bush (conservatives don't bad mouth their former guy ), that's allowed Obama to get away with as much as he is because the stupid hypocrites that we're opposing bush are now apologizing for Obama for doing worse than was done when they were fighting those same things.

Too bad nobody in the country has any principles any longer. There's a reason the country is falling under the weight of its own corruption.
 
Liberal Obama supporters always ask the question about what would like Obama to do? Well, when he comes out like this, threatening to just go around congress, and make law himself void of the legislative process, then it is no longer the country I recognize...I guess Podesta is already making his presence felt.

It is no wonder we think Obama is dangerous, because HE IS!

We have a process in this country to do these things Obama wants to do, and it certainly is not unilaterally. We don't have a King, we don't have a dictator, what we have in Obama may actually be worse.




That's your opinion.

Which you are entitled to, and which I and most Americans, will ignore.

President Obama hasn't done anything, since he's been in the White House, that other American presidents haven't done or tried to do.

But quite a few people on the right haven't treated him the same way that they have treated other American presidents. Some of them have even claimed that he's not an American and that he is a Muslim.

Well I have some news for all of you far-right losers: President Obama is a Christian, and an American and he'll be in the White House until another Democrat takes his place in 2017.

I advise all of you far-right losers to get a grip and deal with the current reality, if you want anyone to listen to a single word that you say.

I hope that you noticed that I didn't mention the racism that is present in some of the far-right diatribes. The reason that I left it out is because it is ignored by most Americans and I don't see it as a big factor in today's politics.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
Oh ya, who up there has the balls to start impeachment proceedings?

We'll, it's the precedents set by bush (conservatives don't bad mouth their former guy ), that's allowed Obama to get away with as much as he is because the stupid hypocrites that we're opposing bush are now apologizing for Obama for doing worse than was done when they were fighting those same things.

Too bad nobody in the country has any principles any longer. There's a reason the country is falling under the weight of its own corruption.




Anyone who thinks that has any chance of succeeding needs to get after it or shut their pie-hole.
 

Anyone who thinks that has any chance of succeeding needs to get after it or shut their pie-hole.

Not sure how this relates to the point you quoted. ... can you clarify?
 
You're the one who claims Obama put signing statements on the dream act. Pathetic indeed. I'm done with you.

Oh, and there is the best liberal tactic, runaway. Really? No explanation on why it must be a "signing statement". He can go ahead and do anything he wants, but unless it is a signing statement, you don't care. LOL! That is some impeccable logic.

Let me clear this up for you. His implementation of the dream act without Congress is the offense, no one cares if there was a signing statement or not.
 
It applies like it or not

And it applies to every other sitting president at the time as well. Useless rhetoric is still useless rhetoric.
 
He ALREADY DID DO THIS!!!

Each time he changed obamacare law to suit his needs he did just this thing that you claim you would want to see him impeached over.

Is what he did illegal? Where was it found to be illegal?

So far, everything he has done (even though I have not liked it nor agreed to it) HAS BEEN LEGAL. Otherwise he would have been impeached by now.
 
How exactly is the President to convince Congress that his actions are just when atleast one half of Congress had decided not to work with him? Remember the "one-term president" agenda Sen. McConnell proclaimed as his mission? Not to work with the President, but rather to do everything possible to render him ineffective.

Just how convincing can a person be to those who choose not to listen or corporate with him?

Then you ELECT new people. THAT'S how the system works. You don't just decide what you want to do alone.
 
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