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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is the only part I take issue with...AFAIK, at that time, the authorization was on phone calls either originating outside the US, to parties within the US, or from parties within the US to phone numbers outside the US. And if that would be the case, I don't have a problem with that so much as I do as just collecting everything and holding it...



    Well, I think we have to compare apples to apples....
    No! It went beyond that!

    In 2005, after the New York Times broke the story of the surveillance program, the President publicly admitted one portion of it—warrantless surveillance of Americans believed to be communicating with people connected with terrorism suspects—Senior Bush Administration officials later confirmed that the President’s authorization went beyond the surveillance of terrorists and conceded that the program did not comply with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).


    What part of this is difficult to understand. All presidential wrong doing starts somewhere. Because partisans don't hold their president accountable, the one that follows does the same and worse. 45 years ago a republican president said, "if the president does it, it's not illegal". What does that mean to you?
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No one I repeat no one has issued the executive orders Obama has. He has trashed the Constitution and the SCOTUS is calling him on it........He thinks he is a king.
    If so, then certain Republican presidents – including Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan – must be classified as even more monarchical, un-American and “fascistic” than Barack Obama. The nearby table shows the number of executive orders issued per year by every U.S. president since 1900.

    When It Comes To Abuse Of Presidential Power, Obama Is A Mere Piker - Forbes

    snopes.com: President Obama's 923 Executive Orders

    If facts matter.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No! It went beyond that!

    In 2005, after the New York Times broke the story of the surveillance program, the President publicly admitted one portion of it—warrantless surveillance of Americans believed to be communicating with people connected with terrorism suspects—Senior Bush Administration officials later confirmed that the President’s authorization went beyond the surveillance of terrorists and conceded that the program did not comply with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA).


    What part of this is difficult to understand. All presidential wrong doing starts somewhere. Because partisans don't hold their president accountable, the one that follows does the same and worse. 45 years ago a republican president said, "if the president does it, it's not illegal". What does that mean to you?

    Oh, "Senior Administration Officials"? As opposed to what, a guy in the office next door? What "Senior Administration Officials"? Who? Don't you think it just a little suspicious that these people are not named? For all I know the NYT made it up.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, "Senior Administration Officials"? As opposed to what, a guy in the office next door? What "Senior Administration Officials"? Who? Don't you think it just a little suspicious that these people are not named? For all I know the NYT made it up.
    If it concerns a republican.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If it concerns a republican.
    You should also be skeptical of un named sources contained in a hit piece. But I won't hold my breath.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You should also be skeptical of un named sources contained in a hit piece. But I won't hold my breath.
    Not so much. It's a time honored method. And it's reported elsewhere separately. The Washington Post even reports they held up at Administration request before breaking it. That's enough to consider it highly likely.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, "Senior Administration Officials"? As opposed to what, a guy in the office next door? What "Senior Administration Officials"? Who? Don't you think it just a little suspicious that these people are not named? For all I know the NYT made it up.
    Oh, I see. Going to answer my two questions j-mac?
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, I see. Going to answer my two questions j-mac?
    Sure, when you have something more than un named sources.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not so much. It's a time honored method. And it's reported elsewhere separately. The Washington Post even reports they held up at Administration request before breaking it. That's enough to consider it highly likely.
    No, it's propaganda. pure and simple. Period.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, it's propaganda. pure and simple. Period.
    Yes, news that doesn't affirm your belief system is propaganda. I get that. But that has nothing to do with the facts.

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