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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Candidate Obama understood how the practice violated the Constitution and empowered the president when he said: “Congress’s job is to pass legislation. The president can veto it, or he can sign it. But what George Bush has been trying to do as part of his effort to accumulate more power in the presidency, is he’s been saying ‘Well, I can basically change what Congress passed by attaching a letter saying, I don’t agree with this part, or I don’t agree with that part. I’m going to choose to interpret it this way or that way,’” He continued, “That’s not part of his power. But this is part of the whole theory of George Bush that he can make laws as he’s going along. I disagree with that. I taught the Constitution for ten years. I believe in the Constitution.” Then he promises not to do the same thing were he to be elected president. “And I will obey the Constitution of the United States. We’re not going to use signing statements as a way of doing an end run around Congress” (“Obama Signing Statement: Despite Law, I Can Do What I Want on Czars,” by Jonathan Strong, April 15, 2011).

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    No signing statements to nullify instructions from Congress
    "While it is legitimate for a president to issue a signing statement to clarify his understanding of ambiguous provisions of statutes and to explain his view of how he intends to faithfully execute the law, it is a clear abuse of power to use such statements as a license to evade laws that the president does not like or as an end-run around provisions designed to foster accountability. I will not use signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law."

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    President George W. Bush issued several controversial executive orders surrounding the gathering of intelligence in the war on terror. Arguably the most controversial was a secret executive order he signed in 2002, authorizing the National Security Agency (NSA) to eavesdrop without a warrant on phone calls made by U.S. citizens and others living in the United States.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President George W. Bush issued several controversial executive orders surrounding the gathering of intelligence in the war on terror. Arguably the most controversial was a secret executive order he signed in 2002, authorizing the National Security Agency (NSA) to eavesdrop without a warrant on phone calls made by U.S. citizens and others living in the United States.
    No one I repeat no one has issued the executive orders Obama has. He has trashed the Constitution and the SCOTUS is calling him on it........He thinks he is a king.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No one I repeat no one has issued the executive orders Obama has. He has trashed the Constitution and the SCOTUS is calling him on it........He thinks he is a king.
    I've got news for you NP. they ALL think they are. Some of them think with the "**** you I'm the decider attitude" and some think "if the president does it, it's not illegal", attitude. But it's already been established that Bush signed more. Can you demonstrate how Obama's have been worse. And don't take that as a defense of Obama, I'm just trying to ascertain why Bush gets a pass. Or the excuse your kid gives you when you catch them doing something Wong, that jimmy down the street does it worse or more often?
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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    I've got news for you NP. they ALL think they are. Some of them think with the "**** you I'm the decider attitude" and some think "if the president does it, it's not illegal", attitude. But it's already been established that Bush signed more. Can you demonstrate how Obama's have been worse. And don't take that as a defense of Obama, I'm just trying to ascertain why Bush gets a pass. Or the excuse your kid gives you when you catch them doing something Wong, that jimmy down the street does it worse or more often?
    Well, one difference I can think of concerning phone records gathering is that under the Bush administration after 9/11/01 the calls data were only gathered after FISA approval, and only with calls that could be traced to have contact with known number from outside the country, and possible terror suspects. Obama's EO seems to have changed that to just blanket gathering and holding of ALL data within the US and going back to see if any of them are in contact with terror suspects. Big difference.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

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    Well, one difference I can think of concerning phone records gathering is that under the Bush administration after 9/11/01 the calls data were only gathered after FISA approval, and only with calls that could be traced to have contact with known number from outside the country, and possible terror suspects. Obama's EO seems to have changed that to just blanket gathering and holding of ALL data within the US and going back to see if any of them are in contact with terror suspects. Big difference.
    President George W. Bush issued several controversial executive orders surrounding the gathering of intelligence in the war on terror. Arguably the most controversial was a secret executive order he signed in 2002, authorizing the National Security Agency (NSA) to eavesdrop without a warrant on phone calls made by U.S. citizens and others living in the United States.


    The only equation between the two that needs to be made is that they both are wrong. When a president is allowed to operate in secrecy, he's going to misbehave. I don't know how old you are, but if you still think that only democrats do that then we can be assured of more of the same.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President George W. Bush issued several controversial executive orders surrounding the gathering of intelligence in the war on terror. Arguably the most controversial was a secret executive order he signed in 2002, authorizing the National Security Agency (NSA) to eavesdrop without a warrant on phone calls made by U.S. citizens and others living in the United States.
    This is the only part I take issue with...AFAIK, at that time, the authorization was on phone calls either originating outside the US, to parties within the US, or from parties within the US to phone numbers outside the US. And if that would be the case, I don't have a problem with that so much as I do as just collecting everything and holding it...

    The only equation between the two that needs to be made is that they both are wrong. When a president is allowed to operate in secrecy, he's going to misbehave. I don't know how old you are, but if you still think that only democrats do that then we can be assured of more of the same.
    Well, I think we have to compare apples to apples....
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