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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I will take Is that a concession for 1000 Alex
    It's not.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's not.
    bottom line-rich liberals pander to the masses by bashing rich people. Its funny watching people who get rich through public office (like the Clintons and the Obamas) bashing people who normally got rich by working hard and smart



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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Problem is mainstream economist don't agree with you or the TP crowd.

    "This view contrasts with that held by most economists, which will be referred to as “mainstream economics.” Mainstream economics relies on a basic theory regarding policies to expand the economy in a downturn. This theory can be found in economics textbooks and is used by government and private forecasters to project the path of the economy.3 This view has been the basis for fiscal and monetary policy interventions to stimulate the economy for many years, under both Republican and Democratic administrations. Chairman Bernanke of the Federal Reserve was referring to this view when he cautioned against large and immediate spending cuts.4 The basic thrust of the model for fiscal policy is that increasing the deficit (whether by increasing spending or cutting taxes) expands an underemployed economy, and decreasing the deficit (cutting spending or raising taxes) contracts it. https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41849.pdf
    ....continued

    At any rate, Obama's biggest mistake as Krugman often points out, is cutting spending too soon. He holds a tight fiscal policy at a time we need spending to occur.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Is that how debate with you works? You make accusations, don't source it, then blame everyone else for not taking your word for it?
    No, that had nothing to do with debate at all. That was dealing with an asinine request.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, to be fair, you are attempting to move the goalpost. The OP and others are saying that the actions that the President is implicitly threatening to take would be Unconstitutional, and your response seems to be that it has not yet been ruled so. That's like saying that it's not wrong of me to plan to rape someone because I haven't been convicted yet.
    It's perfectly legal for you to plan to kidnap someone as long as you don't do it. There aren't many crimes you can be convicted of re: just planning to do it without actually doing it.

    Likewise it's perfectly fine for Obama to talk about doing whatever he likes as long as he's not doing anything illegal.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    bottom line-rich liberals pander to the masses by bashing rich people. Its funny watching people who get rich through public office (like the Clintons and the Obamas) bashing people who normally got rich by working hard and smart
    Do only liberals get rich through public office?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    ....continued

    At any rate, Obama's biggest mistake as Krugman often points out, is cutting spending too soon. He holds a tight fiscal policy at a time we need spending to occur.
    That's hilarious hearing liberals get criticised for cutting spending! At anytime. PURE partisan rhetoric.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I agree with that completely. Every president seems to give that office more power than when they came in.
    As this continues we will have a dictator.



    I don't believe that's going to happen as long as Congress has the power to impeach the President of the USA and we continue to have elections.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, both parties resist cutting spending. If there us any difference, it's what they spend on. But that's another issue.
    That would be very true of the most recent crop of old guard Republicans who are presently in control. All one can hope is that Tea Party Caucus and similar activists can re-infuse the historical Republican party platform plank of fiscal conservatism.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, both parties resist cutting spending. If there us any difference, it's what they spend on. But that's another issue.
    Exactly - federal gov't spending is federal gov't power so neither party wants to cede that federal power.
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