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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    What am I your Google??? Look it up yourself.
    Is that how debate with you works? You make accusations, don't source it, then blame everyone else for not taking your word for it?
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yep. That is happening to day. Both parties use the politics of divide and conquer in their search for votes. They turn us against one other, they use fear or install fear while dividing us. One can say we are now legally politically segregated. A very legal and IMO a more destructive for of segregation that what occurred in the deep south between reconstruction and the civil rights movement.

    Both parties have their hands opened to anyone, anywhere for campaign cash. Both parties do not care that by accepting all those millions from corporations, lobbyist, wall street firms, they become no more than indentured servants to them. These moneyed folks now are now the ones running our government and determining our laws behind the faces of the politicians of the two major parties. Talk about Rome it her last days, I fear ditto for the U.S.
    I'm down about our government but I'm not in fear of Rome in her last days though. I think we have a rebounding/restructuring ability that Rome didn't even if we do hit rock bottom.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'm down about our government but I'm not in fear of Rome in her last days though. I think we have a rebounding/restructuring ability that Rome didn't even if we do hit rock bottom.
    I don't know. I hope you're right but I have my doubts. I think we have already gone too far. It is just a matter of time.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes. Talking about an issue isn't class warfare.
    Being the source of division, dividing the electorate and claiming that 'the millionaires and billionaires aren't paying their fair share' is in fact raising the 'class warfare card' when in fact:
    Buried inside a Congressional Budget Office report this week was this nugget: when it comes to individual income taxes, the top 40 percent of wage earners in America pay 106 percent of the taxes. The bottom 40 percent...pay negative 9 percent.

    You read that right. One group is paying more than 100 percent of individual income taxes, the other is paying less than zero.

    It's right there in Table 3 on page 13 of the report. The numbers are based on 2010 IRS and Census Bureau figures.
    The rich do not pay the most taxes, they pay ALL the taxes

    Now sure, there are some user fees and sales tax, but federal income tax, well, that's rather one sided. Still, how exactly does this add up to the claimed 'not paying their fair share'? It doesn't.

    The 'us vs. them' mentality that it causes, is most definitely class based warfare (without the shooting of course [at least right now] - thank God).

    The entire argument is based on the idea that the economy is a zero sum gain game, which is incorrect. How does your neighbor's bonus cause you to lose income? It doesn't.

    If the economy was zero sum gain, how is it that national economies, as well as the world economy, have grown since their inception? Clearly they have, so the zero sum gain is again, proven false.

    Chart of the greatest and most remarkable achievement in human history, and one you probably never heard about | AEIdeas

    So Yes, class warfare, and yes based on an economic fallacy, and yes enabled by the loud trumpet of the Biased Lame Stream Media, to the exclusion of any more reasoned discussion of the matter.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    From Forbes, hardly a liberal source.

    When It Comes To Abuse Of Presidential Power, Obama Is A Mere Piker.

    When It Comes To Abuse Of Presidential Power, Obama Is A Mere Piker - Forbes
    Good article. Certainly puts things in perspective...assuming folks can accept facts along with some truth.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Being the source of division, dividing the electorate and claiming that 'the millionaires and billionaires aren't paying their fair share' is in fact raising the 'class warfare card' when in fact:

    The rich do not pay the most taxes, they pay ALL the taxes

    Now sure, there are some user fees and sales tax, but federal income tax, well, that's rather one sided. Still, how exactly does this add up to the claimed 'not paying their fair share'? It doesn't.

    The 'us vs. them' mentality that it causes, is most definitely class based warfare (without the shooting of course [at least right now] - thank God).

    The entire argument is based on the idea that the economy is a zero sum gain game, which is incorrect. How does your neighbor's bonus cause you to lose income? It doesn't.

    If the economy was zero sum gain, how is it that national economies, as well as the world economy, have grown since their inception? Clearly they have, so the zero sum gain is again, proven false.

    Chart of the greatest and most remarkable achievement in human history, and one you probably never heard about | AEIdeas

    So Yes, class warfare, and yes based on an economic fallacy, and yes enabled by the loud trumpet of the Biased Lame Stream Media, to the exclusion of any more reasoned discussion of the matter.
    That mantra has been covered many times. Federal taxes are not the only taxes, and much of the very rich do in fact avoid taxes through the many loopholes available. So, the 40% number is a little misleading. However, I would bet not one of the 40% would trade places with the 60%.

    However, defining fair, have a different view than another on what is fair, isn't class warfare. Any saying the tax system isn't fair is certainly no worse than referring to the moocher class. Better I would suggest.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    REALLY?????

    "The unstoppable American economy is stopped cold in its tracks"...which is very true IF you completely ignore the fact that our economy was in free fall, losing 800K jobs per month when Obama took over, but last year the Dow hit record highs FIFTY times!
    On monthly Fed steroid injections. It's not real. It's as fake as a hookers smile, and will evaporate once the steroids are withdrawn. Just the rumor of the Fed withdrawing the steroids caused a drop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "Our GDP is in quicksand."...which is very true IF you completely ignore the provable facts and hard numbers:
    Attachment 67160261

    "The great American jobs juggernaut is in reverse."...which is very true IF you ignore the provable facts and hard numbers:
    Attachment 67160262

    "We have chronic unemployment."...never mind that the Republican-controlled House refuses to even take a vote on jobs bill submitted by the Obama administration...and any GOP jobs bills consist almost solely of tax cuts.
    Care to guess how many jobs related bills are in this list?
    Senate sitting on 290 bills already passed by House; tension mounts | TheHill

    372 Bills That Have Been Passed by the House & Not Yet the actual list of bills, and yes, many job related that passed the house with bi-partisan support no less. Just reading the titles looks like there are 10 jobs bills in there, and yup. All held up and killed on old Dirty Harry's desk.

    It's clear to me that it takes two parties to gridlock congress, just as it takes two parties to compromise. Seems there isn't and wasn't enough compromises, but blaming only of the parties is far from being honest. Can you be that honest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "The lowest work force participation rate in 35 years."...see the above.

    "Massive deficit and debt."...never mind that Obama's cut the deficit in more than half since he took office - note the crap sandwich that the Bush administration had left him:
    Attachment 67160263
    Wasn't Bush's **** sandwich. At least not solely. The causes of the housing bubble were had many sources, many contributors, one of which is the leaning on banks to originate mortgages to people who couldn't possibly pay them back, and excessive risk exposure of those toxic mortgages to Fannie and Freddie, by congressional edict. There is no single party to blame in this, they are a number of parties to blame for this.

    After taxes are record highs, and he's still running deficits? That's a spending problem.

    The public has a much different view of reality.


    More Americans Worse Off Financially Than a Year Ago


    Government Itself Still Cited as Top U.S. Problem

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That mantra has been covered many times. Federal taxes are not the only taxes, and much of the very rich do in fact avoid taxes through the many loopholes available. So, the 40% number is a little misleading. However, I would bet not one of the 40% would trade places with the 60%.

    However, defining fair, have a different view than another on what is fair, isn't class warfare. Any saying the tax system isn't fair is certainly no worse than referring to the moocher class. Better I would suggest.
    Seems to me that everyone should some sort sort of skin in the game, even if it's a little bit, but what we have here is the successful and hardest working being punitively punished for their success to enable nearly 1/2 of the population to receive checks from the government without sending any money in. Are we really in this together? It this really shared sacrifice?

    Hardly seems so. Seems pretty one sided to me, all at the behest of the 'food stamp president', no telling how much fraud, as the government seems to have pretty much given up on that.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Being the source of division, dividing the electorate and claiming that 'the millionaires and billionaires aren't paying their fair share' is in fact raising the 'class warfare card' when in fact:

    The rich do not pay the most taxes, they pay ALL the taxes

    Now sure, there are some user fees and sales tax, but federal income tax, well, that's rather one sided. Still, how exactly does this add up to the claimed 'not paying their fair share'? It doesn't.

    The 'us vs. them' mentality that it causes, is most definitely class based warfare (without the shooting of course [at least right now] - thank God).

    The entire argument is based on the idea that the economy is a zero sum gain game, which is incorrect. How does your neighbor's bonus cause you to lose income? It doesn't.

    If the economy was zero sum gain, how is it that national economies, as well as the world economy, have grown since their inception? Clearly they have, so the zero sum gain is again, proven false.

    Chart of the greatest and most remarkable achievement in human history, and one you probably never heard about | AEIdeas

    So Yes, class warfare, and yes based on an economic fallacy, and yes enabled by the loud trumpet of the Biased Lame Stream Media, to the exclusion of any more reasoned discussion of the matter.
    : The disgusting thing about this is that the envy and hatred are being deliberately cultivated and encouraged to further an agenda of pitting people against each other! The Obama duo are millionaires, too, but you never hear about that when the wealthy are being denigrated! :

    Greetings, eohrnberger.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Seems to me that everyone should some sort sort of skin in the game, even if it's a little bit, but what we have here is the successful and hardest working being punitively punished for their success to enable nearly 1/2 of the population to receive checks from the government without sending any money in. Are we really in this together? It this really shared sacrifice?

    Hardly seems so. Seems pretty one sided to me, all at the behest of the 'food stamp president', no telling how much fraud, as the government seems to have pretty much given up on that.
    Again, there are other taxes, so there's plenty of skin in the game. Taxes for that 40% have largely shrank! and not grown. In the process, less people are making enough to join them (that is part of the problem). Cutting taxes by and large hasn't brought about nirvana. And no one is punished fir hard work. Those of us doing well live quite well. There's no burden, no hardship. That's why there's no trading places going on.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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