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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I think we don't want a President that will act as "he sees fit". We want a President that does not violate the Constitution because he sees fit to do so.
    I thought we had cleared that up . He can do anything he sees fit to do within the law. He can even talk big and mean. In other words he must stay within the constitution. Is what he is doing unconstitutional?

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Oh man. It is like this is the first time a President threatened to use an executive order.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't believe it is the entire reason, but Obama does offer a reason as to why it hasn't happened. He has said many times that Republicans (and I assume he means the bi partisan bull**** that both parties put ahead of the general good of our country) prevents policies and measures from being passed and tried.
    The basic problem with the federal gov't is that it is never a matter of changing policy (e.g. stop doing X and do Y instead) but adding ever more federal gov't programs. That is how we ended up with over 70 different federal "safety net" programs, all based on curing insufficient household income (the war on poverty). Proposing, debating and passing laws is not the job of the POTUS alone. While it may be frustrating to get legislation passed the old fashioned, constitutional way it is none the less still required.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yea! I hate it when a President wants "make sure our kids are getting the best education possible". And nothing pisses me off more than a President who wants to be "making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance". And I'll be damned if I am going to sit idle when a president wants "to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”

    That may be what he's putting out there as empty rhetoric. His actions, however, show something completely different.
    New federal regulations cost the economy $112 billion in 2013, according to a newly released tally of government figures from the American Action Forum.

    Led by the Environmental Protection Agency, the Department of Energy and health care agencies, the federal government added 157.9 million hours of paperwork for U.S. workers.

    American Action Forum, a right-of-center Washington think tank, found in an analysis of Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs and Federal Register data released Wednesday that regulators have published $494 billion in net costs in final rules from 2009 through 2013.

    Two major proposed rules, relating to emissions standards and efficiency standards for motors, drove the regulatory costs for 2013. Yet, according to AAF, overall regulatory activity was down from previous years in President Obama's tenure. The administration published 77 new major regulations, versus 100, in 2010. Any regulation that results in an annual effect on the economy greater than $100 million is considered major.

    The largest new burden in terms of paperwork came from an "obscure" rule relating to affirmative action and nondiscrimination for contractors. It would add 9.9 million hours of paperwork.

    AAF also measured the cost of regulations on individual companies by examining their 10-K reports. Among the biggest losers were Bank of America, with $1.7 billion in annual compliance costs, Duke Energy with $5.7 billion, and Pfizer with $1.6 billion.

    Regulatory costs are only going to increase in 2014, predicts AAF. Depending on the White House's sensitivity to the politics around regulations and how quickly rules are moved, they could total $143 billion, the think tank estimates.
    Study: $112 billion in new regulations in 2013 | WashingtonExaminer.com

    Granted, businesses listed are large ones and can absorb and manage these regulatory burdens. However, the smaller businesses, which are also required to comply with the same regulations, it becomes a small business viability threat, and definitely a barrier to small business growth and therefore small business hiring, which the recovery is needing. This is killing the US job engine, namely, the small and medium businesses.

    So pardon me if his 'laser focus' on job creation is less than believable.

    WRT regulations, how about creating them in such a fashion that it is easier and less expensive for companies to comply with them, thus alleviating the burdens on business, but not discarding the regulation?

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The basic problem with the federal gov't is that it is never a matter of changing policy (e.g. stop doing X and do Y instead) but adding ever more federal gov't programs. That is how we ended up with over 70 different federal "safety net" programs, all based on curing insufficient household income (the war on poverty). Proposing, debating and passing laws is not the job of the POTUS alone. While it may be frustrating to get legislation passed the old fashioned, constitutional way it is none the less still required.
    Still seems to be a case of "i want to be required" not "is required". Plenty of people claim Obama is not allowed to this or that ever since he came to office. He does it anyway, people throw fits, but ultimately it is determined he did not violate any constitution. So while many of you may not like that he has the power, clearly he does.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Still seems to be a case of "i want to be required" not "is required". Plenty of people claim Obama is not allowed to this or that ever since he came to office. He does it anyway, people throw fits, but ultimately it is determined he did not violate any constitution. So while many of you may not like that he has the power, clearly he does.
    Nonsense. Obama's "dreamy" immigration law enforcement being a prime example. It is not up to the executive to alter, or selectively enforce the law as written. Obama has only two things preventing his impeachment - the demorat majority in the Senate and Joe Biden as the only possible replacement.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Liberal Obama supporters always ask the question about what would like Obama to do? Well, when he comes out like this, threatening to just go around congress, and make law himself void of the legislative process, then it is no longer the country I recognize...I guess Podesta is already making his presence felt.

    It is no wonder we think Obama is dangerous, because HE IS!

    We have a process in this country to do these things Obama wants to do, and it certainly is not unilaterally. We don't have a King, we don't have a dictator, what we have in Obama may actually be worse.
    If Congress could pass a bill. ANY bill, that might be different. The problem is that there's only a few grown-ups in Congress who realize that their job is not to play petty partisan games.

    The big problem is that most of those jokers will be re-elected thanks to Gerrymandered "safe" districts which encourages them to pander to the extremes.


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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. Obama's "dreamy" immigration law enforcement being a prime example. It is not up to the executive to alter, or selectively enforce the law as written. Obama has only two things preventing his impeachment - the demorat majority in the Senate and Joe Biden as the only possible replacement.
    Well, they'd have to find an impeachable offense also.

    There may actually be enough moderate Republicans in the Senate to prevent a 2/3 majority. Remember Clinton faced a Republican Senate and it didn't fly then.


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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Nonsense. Obama's "dreamy" immigration law enforcement being a prime example.
    See, and this is a wonderful example of a legitimate complaint and accusation. ttwtt actually points at a specific ACTION, and is talking about the specific ACTION.

    An individual Executive Order is not inherently unconstitutional in nature. What it does CAN be unconstitutional, but that's because of WHAT it does not because it's an Executive Order.

    Obama suggested no SPECIFIC EO's in that above quote, so claiming that he's "creating law" or is acting "unconstitutionally" in THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE is just factually wrong. But there is debate as to specific actions that have actually been taken and the constitutional legitimacy of those.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    I guess it all depends on what is actually in these Executive Orders he is proposing. I hope when he does sign them, he has a big old fashioned press conference instead of the usual web release late on a Friday afternoon.

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