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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Please do tell how he has a progressive/liberal agenda. It seems to me he has more of a conservative one since he uses a tight fiscal monetary policy.
    So all this class warfare rhetoric of Obama's is a conservative agenda item? That'd be a 'hardly'.

    Class warfare / class envy is the sole realm of liberal / progressive / Democrats. The conservative position is 'if you want it, go and figure out how to earn it'.

    Surely.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So all this class warfare rhetoric of Obama's is a conservative agenda item? That'd be a 'hardly'.

    Class warfare / class envy is the sole realm of liberal / progressive / Democrats. The conservative position is 'if you want it, go and figure out how to earn it'.

    Surely.
    The notion is a false. Both sides use the rhetoric, but there is no real warfare. There is no real envy shared by political sides. Conservatives use it to feel better about questionable positions, and makes it easier for them to avoid addressing the real issues.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So all this class warfare rhetoric of Obama's is a conservative agenda item? That'd be a 'hardly'.

    Class warfare / class envy is the sole realm of liberal / progressive / Democrats. The conservative position is 'if you want it, go and figure out how to earn it'.

    Surely.
    Proof please.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, all of that is mostly overstated. The spying has been well criticized with Bush before him and with him, but it hardly reaches Stalin proportions, not even under Bush. Not sure your issue with minorities, but a difference of opinion isn't equal to being Stalin either. Nor would Stalin have filed a law suit (by definition lawful). And when have administrations ever appointed judges on the whole that disagreed with them politically? Seriously.

    And ACA is not anything like a Stalin program. This program is a perfect example where the exaggerations just go over the top.

    And no, you have little to no actual evidence.
    Yeah, well Bush didn't have drones spying on US civilians, nor was Bush buying farmland under the ruse of "wind farms" and he certainly didn't circumvent congress, nor appointed shady individuals into policy making positions or forced them to buy a product. Not to mention lied about every aspect of his presidency - Obama - the most allegedly transparent is the least and Bush was epically transparent and BLUNT...

    Bush was a no bull**** type of guy and Obama is a passive pussy that is sympathetic to everything non US.



    And I'm not even trying to defend Bush.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Proof please.
    Pick any of Obama's campaigning speeches. Oh come on!

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The notion is a false. Both sides use the rhetoric, but there is no real warfare. There is no real envy shared by political sides. Conservatives use it to feel better about questionable positions, and makes it easier for them to avoid addressing the real issues.
    Yeah, right. Keep believing that.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah, well Bush didn't have drones spying on US civilians, nor was Bush buying farmland under the ruse of "wind farms" and he certainly didn't circumvent congress, nor appointed shady individuals into policy making positions. Not to mention lied about every aspect of his presidency - Obama - the most allegedly transparent is the least and Bush was epically transparent and BLUNT...

    Bush was a no bull**** type of guy and Obama is a passive pussy that is sympathetic to everything non US.



    And I'm not even trying to defend Bush.
    Not at all. You are stating facts.

    Further, Bush didn't blow a huge amount of money on an alleged 'green tech recovery' that had no chance to succeed or continue to the recovery, and only was a means to reward supporters and donors from the tax payer monies. Solyndra being only a single example there of.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Pick any of Obama's campaigning speeches. Oh come on!
    That's a complete dodge.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yeah, well Bush didn't have drones spying on US civilians, nor was Bush buying farmland under the ruse of "wind farms" and he certainly didn't circumvent congress, nor appointed shady individuals into policy making positions or forced them to buy a product. Not to mention lied about every aspect of his presidency - Obama - the most allegedly transparent is the least and Bush was epically transparent and BLUNT...

    Bush was a no bull**** type of guy and Obama is a passive pussy that is sympathetic to everything non US.



    And I'm not even trying to defend Bush.
    Are you sure it didn't happen under Bush? Mueller, who testified before congress, was appointed under Bush (2001). Seems likely it started there. But all of this comes from the fear of terrorism, again, started under Bush. And yes, Bush circumvented quite a bit. Bush lied about nearly every aspect of his presidency. And no, Bush just said stupid ****. That's not equal to blunt.

    The point is, none of this rises to Stalin, be it Bush or Obama.

    This is Stalin:

    Stalin, as head of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, consolidated near-absolute power in the 1930s with a Great Purge of the party that was justified as an attempt to expel "opportunists" and "counter-revolutionary infiltrators".[43][44] Those targeted by the purge were often expelled from the party, however more severe measures ranged from banishment to the Gulag labor camps to execution after trials held by NKVD troikas.[43][45][46]

    In the 1930s, Stalin apparently became increasingly worried about the growing popularity of the Leningrad party boss Sergei Kirov. At the 1934 Party Congress where the vote for the new Central Committee was held, Kirov received only three negative votes, the fewest of any candidate, while Stalin received at least over a hundred negative votes.[47][48] After the assassination of Kirov, which may have been orchestrated by Stalin, Stalin invented a detailed scheme to implicate opposition leaders in the murder, including Trotsky, Kamenev and Zinoviev.[49] The investigations and trials expanded.[50] Stalin passed a new law on "terrorist organizations and terrorist acts" that were to be investigated for no more than ten days, with no prosecution, defense attorneys or appeals, followed by a sentence to be executed "quickly."[51]

    Thereafter, several trials known as the Moscow Trials were held, but the procedures were replicated throughout the country. Article 58 of the legal code, which listed prohibited anti-Soviet activities as counterrevolutionary crime, was applied in the broadest manner.[52] The flimsiest pretexts were often enough to brand someone an "enemy of the people", starting the cycle of public persecution and abuse, often proceeding to interrogation, torture and deportation, if not death. The Russian word troika gained a new meaning: a quick, simplified trial by a committee of three subordinated to NKVD -NKVD troika- with sentencing carried out within 24 hours.[51] Stalin's hand-picked executioner, Vasili Blokhin, was entrusted with carrying out some of the high profile executions in this period.[53]

    Many military leaders were convicted of treason and a large-scale purge of Red Army officers followed.[55] The repression of so many formerly high-ranking revolutionaries and party members led Leon Trotsky to claim that a "river of blood" separated Stalin's regime from that of Lenin.[56] In August 1940, Trotsky was assassinated in Mexico, where he had lived in exile since January 1937; this eliminated the last of Stalin's opponents among the former Party leadership.[57]

    Joseph Stalin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Yeah, right. Keep believing that.
    Don't rely much on "belief." You're factually wrong.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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