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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have to prove intent and not just make wild guess before you can go on to anything else.

    And there is nothing but wild exaggerations of what is going on that that leads you to such a comparison. So, once you start with the inaccurate belief, you then blow it beyond. reason. There is no real comparison. To use your comparison, what we have is at worse, a poor cook being compared to a murderer. That is hardly a valid comparison.
    Obama spying on people, creating a welfare state, Holder refusing to charge minorities with hate crimes, Holder suing states, Obama appointing judges that share his same politics...

    I can go on with the legislative and judicial monopoly Obama has on the people, states, legislative, judicial and executive branches of government. Not to mention smaller agencies such as as the IRS and such.

    Obamacare is a perfect example..

    I have plenty of evidence that Obama is a totalitarian tyrant, with limited powers until him and his appointed cronies steal our guns (our only way to preserve this constitutional republic).

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    I can choose not to buy insurance by paying a tax. I still have the right to refuse to give money to insurance companies.
    As you just pointed out, you lost your choice because you have to pay a tax or buy the insurance. No option where you are not forced to pay for it one way or the other.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh I would say probably no more or less than the Democrats who invented the tactic of staying in session through traditional holidays back when Bush was President.
    Great deflection. They did it so we can too. Only this time the Chamber of Commerce wants to up the ante. In the meantime, people on DP are calling Obama a dictator because he did what others did before him. Go figure.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As soon as you frame the problem of executive orders that pass into law outside of congress as worse by one party then the other, the focus on what to do to fix is lost and we have thread after thread that is nothing more than finger pointing. Nothing can be fixed.
    I think you are overestimating the power of these threads.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I think you are overestimating the power of these threads.
    I don't intend to suggest that these threads have any power, only that we have little hope of anything changing in life with regards to the issue we're discussing here, when partisan finger pointing rules the day as evidenced here. So much for hope and change.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, if a Democrat does it a few times, that makes it okay for the Republicans to do it more times than at any other point in American history.
    I don't care who did it first, or more, or any other childish excuse for it. It has to stop.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Lots of them. How many Republicans claimed that they would 'get rid of big government'? I mean, c'mon, guy - you need to learn to not read too much into what someone says, but base your judgement instead on what that someone does.
    OK, fine, so let's take a short look at how he has "fundamentally transform the United States."

    • Suddenly the unstoppable American economy is stopped cold in its tracks.
    • Our GDP is in quicksand.
    • The great American jobs juggernaut is in reverse.
    • We have chronic unemployment.
    • The lowest work force participation rate in 35 years.
    • Massive deficit and debt.


    Not liking this 'Hope and Change' of his, and why should I? It is fundamentally making things worse, allot worse. Not better. C'mon, guys, this is the truth. How many 'Summers of Recovery' have we had? 3? 4? And the economy just keeps sliding, as would the stock market if it weren't on the Fed's monthly steroid injections.

    Republicans claiming to 'get rid of big government' have not nearly done as much damage to the nation as this president and his excessively liberal / progressive agenda coupled with his fundamental lack of leadership and even a simplistic understanding of economics and markets.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Obama spying on people, creating a welfare state, Holder refusing to charge minorities with hate crimes, Holder suing states, Obama appointing judges that share his same politics...

    I can go on with the legislative and judicial monopoly Obama has on the people, states, legislative, judicial and executive branches of government. Not to mention smaller agencies such as as the IRS and such.

    Obamacare is a perfect example..

    I have plenty of evidence that Obama is a totalitarian tyrant, with limited powers until him and his appointed cronies steal our guns (our only way to preserve this constitutional republic).
    Again, all of that is mostly overstated. The spying has been well criticized with Bush before him and with him, but it hardly reaches Stalin proportions, not even under Bush. Not sure your issue with minorities, but a difference of opinion isn't equal to being Stalin either. Nor would Stalin have filed a law suit (by definition lawful). And when have administrations ever appointed judges on the whole that disagreed with them politically? Seriously.

    And ACA is not anything like a Stalin program. This program is a perfect example where the exaggerations just go over the top.

    And no, you have little to no actual evidence.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    It does look like Obama has exhausted his "reach across the aisle and negotiate" options.
    Wow, when did that occur....?
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post

    Republicans claiming to 'get rid of big government' have not nearly done as much damage to the nation as this president and his excessively liberal / progressive agenda coupled with his fundamental lack of leadership and even a simplistic understanding of economics and markets.
    Please do tell how he has a progressive/liberal agenda. It seems to me he has more of a conservative one since he uses a tight fiscal policy.

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