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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Anything could happen. But no matter how you spin, they did rule on it.
    Never said they didn't. But the question wasn't on the law as a whole, only if the gov had the ability to levy a penalty if a citizen didn't buy a private product. And the administration turned on a dime in the SC and argues it a tax to the court, and claimed it wasn't a tax to the people.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As a single example, declaring recess appointments when Congress wasn't in recess.
    Can you link where it shows it was determined he exceeded his power?
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Never said they didn't. But the question wasn't on the law as a whole, only if the gov had the ability to levy a penalty if a citizen didn't buy a private product. And the administration turned on a dime in the SC and argues it a tax to the court, and claimed it wasn't a tax to the people.
    As I recall, the courts turned, not the administration. The court called it a tax. There is a difference. And frankly, if you follow the law, you neither have a tax nor a penalty.

    But, fine, you didn't say they didn't rule.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And another excuse making progressive that squealed when it was done by a repub, but is fine with it now....It isn't the amount, it is what they are.

    We see you progressives....And we know what you want...I don't understand why you don't just move to Venezuela.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    I just wish he would have been more proactive to really fixing the economy as in promoting public works. That has a better multiplier effect than unemployment benefits. People could be working while collecting money. Lord knows we have plenty of infrastructure that could be repaired, which could start circulating money in the system. Instead, he cut quite a bit of government jobs putting more people in the unemployment lines. And, people wonder why more low wage private sector service jobs aren't doing much to stimulate the economy

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yeah, what we have is worse than North Korean leaders, Saudi Kings, and Iran's leaders.

    And people on the right wonder why people ignore them sometimes or just call them crazy. It's because of rhetoric like this.

    Yes, what Obama said was horrible and if he were to make good on that claim I would support complete impeachment charges. However, to say what we have is worse than kings or dictators is simply stupid rhetoric.
    Obama only wishes he was a dictator, and if he had it his way he would insert himself as president for life and do away with our founding documents. As a matter of fact I would be that 30-40% of progressives would love to see that happen.

    Circumventing congress should be the last act of a president to resolve an issue, not the first - and not for reasons of social policy either...

    Obama is a POS that abuses his power, and I cant believe any "libertarian" in their so called mind would defend such a tyrant.

    Furthermore, it's not Obama himself that is turning this country into a North Korea or Saudi Arabia - it's those who he appointed (circumventing democracy) into key positions, and those appointees who appointed others who are making a lot of these policies.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well then, if we could just all agree (and of course I mean beyond this board) with that, and then actually start doing something about it. We could reverse this trend that is not going to bode well for our republic. But I fully realise that that is very big IF!
    The problem is that there are democrats that are perfectly okay with what Obama is doing. I doubt I would ever agree with those on the left that want socialism instead of capitalism. Many of them would be okay with getting rid of our Constitution and going socialist.

    They won't admit it, but that's what they want. They don't all want complete socialism, but many of them are of the "You didn't build that crowd" that wants to take people's earnings and property simply because they've decided that those people have enough already.

    I just wonder where they draw the line, if at all. We are supposed to have a limited government. They just passed a $1.1 Trillion budget. Is that a limited government? Is that enough yet? Is are debt high enough yet?

    I'd like to someone on the left defend that and tell me where they would stop.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The problem is that there are democrats that are perfectly okay with what Obama is doing. I doubt I would ever agree with those on the left that want socialism instead of capitalism. Many of them would be okay with getting rid of our Constitution and going socialist.

    They won't admit it, but that's what they want. They don't all want complete socialism, but many of them are of the "You didn't build that crowd" that wants to take people's earnings and property simply because they've decided that those people have enough already.

    I just wonder where they draw the line, if at all. We are supposed to have a limited government. They just passed a $1.1 Trillion budget. Is that a limited government? Is that enough yet? Is are debt high enough yet?

    I'd like to someone on the left defend that and tell me where they would stop.
    Now you just reversed what ground we made agreeing that partisan members of both parties have enabled their presidents to violate our constitution and that unless we arrest that, nothing will ever change. Your back to singling out democrats, and as pointed to by me at length, while I'm not defending the president, BOTH are guilty. When is THAT bull going to be taken by the horns??
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    The problem is that there are democrats that are perfectly okay with what Obama is doing. I doubt I would ever agree with those on the left that want socialism instead of capitalism. Many of them would be okay with getting rid of our Constitution and going socialist.

    They won't admit it, but that's what they want. They don't all want complete socialism, but many of them are of the "You didn't build that crowd" that wants to take people's earnings and property simply because they've decided that those people have enough already.

    I just wonder where they draw the line, if at all. We are supposed to have a limited government. They just passed a $1.1 Trillion budget. Is that a limited government? Is that enough yet? Is are debt high enough yet?

    I'd like to someone on the left defend that and tell me where they would stop.
    There are plenty of progressives who are "out the closet" socialists.... They're all misguided, delusional and ignorant to history and economics.... Their whole shtick is that "it will work this time."

    Truth is that they're all just lazy people who want something for nothing - regardless if they are successful or not.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As a single example, declaring recess appointments when Congress wasn't in recess.
    They were in recess. They were pretending not to be.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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