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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Unfortunately, the post above is a fair demonstration of the level of education and thought that most voters will bring to the process.


    Well, golly gee whillickers, if he says he's only gonna do good things, why shouldn't he be allowed to effectively toss our Constitution overboard?


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    But you know what, it's okay. Because crap like this establishes a Precedent. The Republican President of 2017 should announce that in order to "create jobs" and "help our children learn" and "take care of our elderly" while "saving children from slavery", "stopping animal abuse", and "making everyone feel loved", he is unilaterally reforming the entitlements, applying anti-monopoly law to Unions, voiding Obamacare, dramatically reducing tax and regulatory complexity, getting rid of the Department of Education, and ending Agricultural Subsidies, the National Labor Relations Board, all tariffs, estate taxes, and the minimum wage. If Congress complains, he can simply declare them to be in recess, meaning that their complaints have no legal power.


    What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Grant powers to the Presidency beyond its' Constitutional scope, and you can get f-----d right back.
    See my response above. It applies here too. Whether you like it or not the president does have that power. Whoever the next president is I am certain you will not judge him by his actions, but by the letter in front of their name. Conservatives and liberals alike have proven that more times than I can count. The party of a person means more than their actions.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yea! I hate it when a President wants "make sure our kids are getting the best education possible". And nothing pisses me off more than a President who wants to be "making sure that our businesses are getting the kind of support and help they need to grow and advance". And I'll be damned if I am going to sit idle when a president wants "to make sure that people are getting the skills that they need to get those jobs that our businesses are creating.”

    Total bull****, red herring statement intended to deflect from the real issue. As the Executive, he is welcome to assure all those things, AS LONG AS THEY ARE PART OF LAWS LEGISLATED THROUGH CONGRESS. And don't read this as my tacid support for social programs, this is purely about separation of powers. That's what this thread is about. This isn't about your pet issue.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    That's your opinion.

    Which you are entitled to, and which I and most Americans, will ignore.
    Oh, so you speak for "Most Americans" now do you? Do us a favor and turn the arrogance off will ya?

    President Obama hasn't done anything, since he's been in the White House, that other American presidents haven't done or tried to do.
    You're right, so I guess your argument in this march toward trashing the constitution is 'as long as it is someone I agree with it's ok'....Wow what a patriot you are.

    But quite a few people on the right haven't treated him the same way that they have treated other American presidents. Some of them have even claimed that he's not an American and that he is a Muslim.
    I don't think I have ever said he is a Muslim. Sympathetic maybe. A dhimmi in his deference that has weakened us in the region absolutely. So, you can take your slurs, and....er, ah....knock it off.

    Well I have some news for all of you far-right losers: President Obama is a Christian, and an American and he'll be in the White House until another Democrat takes his place in 2017.
    "Losers"? Wow how civil, how kind, way to get your point across....Could have been easier achieved by taking your hat off though.

    I advise all of you far-right losers to get a grip and deal with the current reality, if you want anyone to listen to a single word that you say.
    We already know that you dishonest progressives won't listen, so we are done listening to what you think we should do...Concentrate on yourselves, and leave our internal decisions to us k? Then when we get in, and start using your own tactics against you, we can have a good belly laugh when you squeal like stuck pigs.

    I advise all of you far-right losers to get a grip and deal with the current reality, if you want anyone to listen to a single word that you say.
    I am going to have a good laugh at you this November, and again in 16.

    I hope that you noticed that I didn't mention the racism that is present in some of the far-right diatribes. The reason that I left it out is because it is ignored by most Americans and I don't see it as a big factor in today's politics.
    You progressives are a hoot....All you have is whinny childish excuses...I can actually picture a 10 year old half crying, blurting out...."They called him a Muslim, they are racist!".... You think that kind of excuse making actually makes it ok to break the law? Pathetic.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    *Sigh*

    Yet another conservative who hates the president because of whatever reason, and will use any accusation he can think of against the president no matter how false his accusation is. To wit:

    Attachment 67160203

    Once again, if the uppity black guy in the White House does just what all the white guys did before him did, well, that's TYRANNY!!!!!
    And another excuse making progressive that squealed when it was done by a repub, but is fine with it now....It isn't the amount, it is what they are.

    We see you progressives....And we know what you want...I don't understand why you don't just move to Venezuela.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Total bull****, red herring statement intended to deflect from the real issue. As the Executive, he is welcome to assure all those things, AS LONG AS THEY ARE PART OF LAWS LEGISLATED THROUGH CONGRESS. And don't read this as my tacid support for social programs, this is purely about separation of powers. That's what this thread is about. This isn't about your pet issue.
    I quoted from the article in the OP the majority of my post and that is not what this thread is about? Interesting.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Do you know what the separation of powers is? Because from what I see you conservatives keep calling foul, then it turns out you were wrong. There is a difference between someone doing something you don't like and something being illegal. The president does have this power. This power granted to him, knowingly or not, by the people of the United States. Think back to all the times over his presidency that people have said that is illegal or unconstitutional and thrown hissy fits. What has come of that? To me it seems like nothing.

    Furthermore I am not a progressive nor would I support a dictator. However I do realize that the president does have this power. He has exercised it before. I don't recall conservative panties being in a bunch when Bush did it. But then again I suppose you people would support a dictatorship as long as that dictator is a Republican right? I'll tell you like I told the last guy, if you don't like the things that the president is doing vote someone else in. And then you can support these same actions by a guy with a different letter in front of his name.
    I hardly think it can be denied that we have witnessed a slow but steady concentration of power to the executive branch , and that congress has been abdicating its powers. Partisans have for sometime shown that they would tolerate dictatorship of their party, just not the other. The constitution is always more important to the partisan when the opposing party is in power.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And another excuse making progressive that squealed when it was done by a repub, but is fine with it now....It isn't the amount, it is what they are.

    We see you progressives....And we know what you want...I don't understand why you don't just move to Venezuela.
    And the righties had no problem with it when Bush did it. Why is it this is hiding in plain sight?
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    You're the one screaming and raving about how Obama is about to bring on the apocolypse. Surely you know of one example?
    Go ahead and post whatever you want about EO's, SS's, etc... I'm not playing your little game where you limit his actions to fall into certain constraints or they don't count. You can easily see in this thread what the beef is that we have with him.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I hardly think it can be denied that we have witnessed a slow but steady concentration of power to the executive branch , and that congress has been abdicating its powers. Partisans have for sometime shown that they would tolerate dictatorship of their party, just not the other. The constitution is always more important to the partisan when the opposing party is in power.
    I agree with that completely. Every president seems to give that office more power than when they came in. As this continues we will have a dictator.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    From Forbes, hardly a liberal source.

    When It Comes To Abuse Of Presidential Power, Obama Is A Mere Piker.


    http://www.forbes.com/sites/richards...-a-mere-piker/
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