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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't believe it is the entire reason, but Obama does offer a reason as to why it hasn't happened. He has said many times that Republicans (and I assume he means the bi partisan bull**** that both parties put ahead of the general good of our country) prevents policies and measures from being passed and tried.
    That is our system though. You don't just get to decide to work outside the system when you don't like the results. The simple fact is it isn't Obama's decision to make, it's the people's decision by act of electing representatives.

    Obama has failed at leadership because as a president, he should be able to convince Congress that his actions are just. If he can't do that (which he hasn't), then that's just tough beans.

    Each presidency we see more and more power being either given to the president or the president takes. Eventually, we will have a dictator if it keeps following this trend. I don't think Obama is a dictator, however, I do think he's crossed the lines of what I find acceptable behavior. And it will only get worse each presidency at this rate.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    Yes we have all seen Conservatives try to play that card falsely many times in the past. You people love to act like he is breaking a slew of laws, and sometimes it goes to court and then what happens? Judges know the law, the constitution and the executive powers. You people not liking something does not make it a violation of the constitution or iillegal.
    You have made absolutely no argument yet. The President took an oath and has a duty to uphold the Constitution. He is not supposed to violate it and then we have to hope that we get a judge that has a spine and will make the correct decision, years later. HE is supposed to be defending the Constitution.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    You have made absolutely no argument yet. The President took an oath and has a duty to uphold the Constitution. He is not supposed to violate it and then we have to hope that we get a judge that has a spine and will make the correct decision, years later. HE is supposed to be defending the Constitution.
    He hasn't actually violated the constitution up to this point.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    That is our system though. You don't just get to decide to work outside the system when you don't like the results. The simple fact is it isn't Obama's decision to make, it's the people's decision by act of electing representatives.

    Obama has failed at leadership because as a president, he should be able to convince Congress that his actions are just. If he can't do that (which he hasn't), then that's just tough beans.

    Each presidency we see more and more power being either given to the president or the president takes. Eventually, we will have a dictator if it keeps following this trend. I don't think Obama is a dictator, however, I do think he's crossed the lines of what I find acceptable behavior. And it will only get worse each presidency at this rate.
    I don't usually agree with Obama. But if he has plans that might better our country and the only reason it seems he cant get it passed is because republicans have to fight everything he does and he has the power to make that decision without their consent then go for it. Whether anyone likes him or not we elected him president and bi partisan bickering is keeping anything from being accomplished in this country. If the democrats and republicans cant get anything done, what choice would a person have? Do nothing? He'll get ****ted on for that too. He was voted in, and the only way we will know if these policies will work or not is to try it. Alternatively, do nothing. Because at this time I am not aware of any alternative. People are suffering over these political games.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't usually agree with Obama. But if he has plans that might better our country and the only reason it seems he cant get it passed is because republicans have to fight everything he does and he has the power to make that decision without their consent then go for it. Whether anyone likes him or not we elected him president and bi partisan bickering is keeping anything from being accomplished in this country. If the democrats and republicans cant get anything done, what choice would a person have? Do nothing? He'll get ****ted on for that too. He was voted in, and the only way we will know if these policies will work or not is to try it. Alternatively, do nothing. Because at this time I am not aware of any alternative. People are suffering over these political games.
    That's the thing, Obama is acting on what HE thinks is a good move. It doesn't matter to him if he is wrong, nor does it matter to him what OTHER people think.

    Our system is not for ONE person to make the call on everything. BTW, just because Obama THINKS it will do the country good, doesn't mean it will. For that reason alone is why we have all these checks and balances that Obama is wanting to by-pass.

    Last I checked Obama, nor you, nor I have some sort of crystal ball to see what is truly the right directions for this country. Therefore, I don't trust ONE person to make that call, do you?

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreton View Post
    I don't usually agree with Obama. But if he has plans that might better our country and the only reason it seems he cant get it passed is because republicans have to fight everything he does and he has the power to make that decision without their consent then go for it. Whether anyone likes him or not we elected him president and bi partisan bickering is keeping anything from being accomplished in this country. If the democrats and republicans cant get anything done, what choice would a person have? Do nothing? He'll get ****ted on for that too. He was voted in, and the only way we will know if these policies will work or not is to try it. Alternatively, do nothing. Because at this time I am not aware of any alternative. People are suffering over these political games.
    He doesn't have the power to do that, hence the issue with his statement.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Of all the threads here, this one is the most important. He just declared that he is going to take power from Congress and make laws himself, a clear violation of separation of powers. In fact, clearly a power that the President does not have. This is what dictators do. A bit of coupe, if I may be so bold. The sad part is that the media, the left, and even most of the right are sitting by silently while this happens before our eyes.

    This is not a Democrat v. Republican issue. It's a Constitutional and liberty issue.
    No, he didn't. That's the words you're putting in his mouth. He just said he will sign executive orders and take executive action...two things long held to be constitutional in a general sense. WHAT Executive Orders and Actions he takes may be an issue, and may fall outside the lines of what is constitutional. However, he didn't SPECIFY what action or orders would occur, only that he can do them in a general sense. That's not dictatorial, that's not a coup, that's not making a law himself.

    YOU claiming he said something that clearly and indisputably he did not say isn't a "constitutional and liberty" issue...it's a reading comprehension and assumption issue.

    I imagine ultimately this is going to play out like Gun Control did when the same sort of thing was threatened as a means of solving the problem. A little nibble at changing how current law is enforced may occur, but ultimately his hands will be tied and nothing substantial can be done from the EO's. This is just more attempting to talk up a big game while in reality being rather ineffectual and fruitless which is becoming a trend.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    He doesn't have the power to do that, hence the issue with his statement.
    He has before and it has been upheld. So while many seem to think he shouldn't have that power, apparently he does.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    OMG! He said that? Wow, what a guy! Well, we sure figured him wrong! Oh, boy, I bet he loves puppies too!
    Well, your post really destroys any Constitutional issues here.
    There are no Constitutional issues here. It's just radical partisan rhetoric perhaps inspired by fevered dreams caused by brain parasites. Have you seen your doctor lately? Might be high-time you did. Last time I checked using signing statements, executive orders, and presidential actions were perfectly Constitutional.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Of all the threads here, this one is the most important. He just declared that he is going to take power from Congress and make laws himself, a clear violation of separation of powers. In fact, clearly a power that the President does not have. This is what dictators do. A bit of coupe, if I may be so bold. The sad part is that the media, the left, and even most of the right are sitting by silently while this happens before our eyes.

    This is not a Democrat v. Republican issue. It's a Constitutional and liberty issue.
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