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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yep, throw in gerrymandering, don't you just love our fair election system?
    I dislike our form of government more by the day. I tire of hearing people decry "founding father's intent". I know they didn't intend for our government to be as for sale as it is. So much so that lobbying is nothing more than legalized bribes.

    Time to go full on parliamentary.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That is the truth. It has been said that we really have only one political party, but it has two wings. The Republican wing and the Democratic wing. There is a reason Wall Street Firms and Corporations donate to both parties. Firms like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup etc. You can bet it is out of civics, it is to ensure that regardless of who wins, the winner owes them. These folks aren't stupid, you can bet they get a good return for their cash. If they didn't they wouldn't be giving all that money to the political parties. They will get their political favors in return.

    Most people are too interested in the R and the D, they refuse to open their eyes to see what is really happening. You are correct, if one took off their deep colored red or blue glasses and stuck cotton in their ears to drown out the slogans, the rhetoric and talking points and just watched how Bush and Obama governed, they would see the two govern quite similar. But that R and D blocks this from their view. They have bought into the propaganda the two parties espouse.

    So regardless of party, regardless whether it is Obama or Bush, it is business as usual. Taking care of those who gave them their money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I have known this for quite awhile. But it took me stepping outside of the two major party influence to notice it. Until I started campaigning and working for Perot, I was just as bad a party hack as any here on this site. But being away from their influence and propaganda caused me to open my eyes.

    The trick to it is just to sit down and watch how the different presidents govern, not to listen to their rhetoric, speeches and slogans where they are always deriding the other party. There really isn't that much difference. George Wallace way back in 1968 had it right when he said, "There ain't a dimes worth of difference between the two major parties."

    Governing, there isn't. Now in rhetoric, they are polar opposites. But rhetoric isn't governance.
    I've long agreed with Wallace, on that at least. Supported Perot, too.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I dislike our form of government more by the day. I tire of hearing people decry "founding father's intent". I know they didn't intend for our government to be as for sale as it is. So much so that lobbying is nothing more than legalized bribes.

    Time to go full on parliamentary.
    When it comes to lobbyist and corporate money it is legalized bribery. These guys are not doing their civic duty, these guys expect a very healthy return on their investment and they get it. This also includes advocacy groups, I read an article about that on politico, the super pac told a congressman either to back what they wanted, what they were advocating for or they would give their money to his opponent.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I've long agreed with Wallace, on that at least. Supported Perot, too.
    For things to improve, somehow the election monopoly the Republicans and Democrats have on our system has to be broken. But it won't be as long as the Republicans and Democrats write the election laws as a mutual protection act for themselves. As long as they can spend a billion dollars each on the 2012 presidential campaign. Yep, Romney's camp spent a billion and Obama's camp spent a billion. In third place was Gary Johnson who spent 3 million. How can one get his message out when he is outspent 2 billion to 3 million.

    The really sad part is all the people on who take pride on the amount of money their party and their candidates raise. They don't care if they were basically bought. As long as their party/candidate wins is all that matters.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    When it comes to lobbyist and corporate money it is legalized bribery. These guys are not doing their civic duty, these guys expect a very healthy return on their investment and they get it. This also includes advocacy groups, I read an article about that on politico, the super pac told a congressman either to back what they wanted, what they were advocating for or they would give their money to his opponent.
    Threats, bribery unlimited money to candidates... founding fathers' intent indeed.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Threats, bribery unlimited money to candidates... founding fathers' intent indeed.
    The founding fathers and framers thought a citizen would leave his job for a couple of years and serve in congress for a term or two and go back home to his job, farm or what ever. They never envisioned the career politician. In fact there was no pay or benefits for those who severed in the early congress, just per diem to cover their expenses.

    They must be rolling over in their grave over what has become of the system they left us. They could have never envisioned our electoral system coming to what it is today. Where money decides most political races.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The founding fathers and framers thought a citizen would leave his job for a couple of years and serve in congress for a term or two and go back home to his job, farm or what ever. They never envisioned the career politician. In fact there was no pay or benefits for those who severed in the early congress, just per diem to cover their expenses.

    They must be rolling over in their grave over what has become of the system they left us. They could have never envisioned our electoral system coming to what it is today. Where money decides most political races.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Do you even have a clue as to what the separation of powers here? Apparently not, I honestly think some of you progressives would support a dictatorship as long as the dictator is a Democrat. This is pathetic & very dangerous
    That is absolutely true. There are too many liberals that are of the useful idiot variety, and it will be because of them that the people of this country get screwed. They are like the frog in the water that gets boiled before he knows what's going on.

    What, Obama just made a law on his own, and I get screwed? I didn't think he would do that. What, we can't undo it? He's taking more rights away from us? Gee, what happened? That's not what I wanted! But he said he knew best...
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The founding fathers and framers thought a citizen would leave his job for a couple of years and serve in congress for a term or two and go back home to his job, farm or what ever. They never envisioned the career politician. In fact there was no pay or benefits for those who severed in the early congress, just per diem to cover their expenses.

    They must be rolling over in their grave over what has become of the system they left us. They could have never envisioned our electoral system coming to what it is today. Where money decides most political races.
    “I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.”
    —U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864
    (letter to Col. William F. Elkins)
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    That is absolutely true. There are too many liberals that are of the useful idiot variety, and it will be because of them that the people of this country get screwed. They are like the frog in the water that gets boiled before he knows what's going on.

    What, Obama just made a law on his own, and I get screwed? I didn't think he would do that. What, we can't undo it? He's taking more rights away from us? Gee, what happened? That's not what I wanted! But he said he knew best...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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