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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yeah, it's everyone's fault that the Republicans have been filibustering at much more than a record pace...and when it comes to blocking nominees:

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    And in the debt ceiling battle, when Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner negotiated the sequester with Obama and came out of the negotiation bragging that "I got 98% of what we wanted" - whereupon he was immediately castigated for negotiating at all with Obama - well, THAT was all Democratic obstructionism too, hm?

    The instances go on and on - to say it's the fault of both parties, of saying "well, they're just as bad as we are", is nothing more than a false equivalence.
    Perhaps if this president would stop trying to skirt the Constitution at every turn, that much filibustering wouldn't be necessary.

    And save us the "black guy" nonsense. I swear, liberals are more obsessed and prejudiced by race than anyone.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You're right in one respect...folks who weren't up in arms over GWB using Signing Statements to skirt the law are now up in arms over the mere mention of President Obama using the Power of the Executive Branch to issue Executive Orders when Congress fails to act in the nation's best interest. It's mind boggling - hypocrisy at its worse - how folks with idealogical bents stay mum when it's their guy in office abusing power yet claiming "national security" to justify his actions (Republicans) but when it's the other guy in office (Democrat) who gives clear warning to Congress to "act in the best interest of the nation to bring about job growth and economic stimulation via the private secton or else" suddenly these same people get all up in a tizzy over the President of the United States using his Executive Power within the process of governance and the spirit and intent of the law. To illustrate what I mean and just how real and perhaps even necessary the Presidents Executive intervention may be, I've pulled these two post from this thread - one from a Conservative poster, the other from a Liberal poster. Both make the very point the President was trying to convey to the American people which pollsters already acknowledge - the Congress is marred in ideological gridlock. On the one hand, you have both parties fighting against each other. On the other hand, you have in-fighting within a particular party. And yet, folks here who are clear ideologues refused to accept what is reality - that such gridlock, partisanship and purposeful mission to hamstring a sitting President makes Congress very ineffective.

    Sidenote: I really wish folks would read, learn and understand "process" of government, recognize leadership when they see it despite what the talking heads and political pundits would have you believe and just start thinking for themselves.
    Understand, I'm not just targeting left or right. It's the same with both sides..

    Everything Obama is doing was done before, by bush. I was speaking out against bush because on the principles that the country is meant to be about is being destroyed.

    Everyone that was wanting bush gone is now apologizing, and all the bush people are now opposing Obama... And it's a lot less about race than is implied...it's that people only care about the party and the party is owned by corporate interests not human interest.

    The reality is that Obama is acting as a tyrant, each time he changed HIS OWN MASTERPIECE of a law, without congress, he was acting illegally.

    Now, bush did a lot of criminal stuff in his reign, BUT he did it all within the confines that resembled a legal process... Obama is doing the same types of things, but he's circumventing the process.

    If he can change the laws at will, "with a pen and a phone call", what would prevent him from changing term limit laws? Property laws (like those impacting your home)? Will he, maybe or maybe not, will the next guy left or right that inherits this new power?

    The thing is, if this doesn't stop the new powers will be abused.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    *Sigh*

    Yet another conservative who hates the president because of whatever reason, and will use any accusation he can think of against the president no matter how false his accusation is. To wit:

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    Once again, if the uppity black guy in the White House does just what all the white guys did before him did, well, that's TYRANNY!!!!!
    This isn't even about executive orders... At least not exclusively. This is about the increasing trend of abuse of powers.

    It especially is not about race, and I'd appreciate you quit trying to race bait the conversation, it's a despicable tactic that's not even logically sound.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    This isn't even about executive orders... At least not exclusively. This is about the increasing trend of abuse of powers.

    It especially is not about race, and I'd appreciate you quit trying to race bait the conversation, it's a despicable tactic that's not even logically sound.
    "abuse of powers"? If you want to read about abuse of power, with the sole exception of what's happened with the NSA (which trend started before his time), what Obama's done isn't even close to what most of his predecessors - Republican or Democrat - have done. The worst IMO was Woodrow Wilson - a Democrat who was farther to the right than most people in the John Birch Society today.

    I suggest y'all read a bit of history before y'all start making broad-brush accusations based on not much more than what you've been fed by the right-wing echo chamber.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    "abuse of powers"? If you want to read about abuse of power, with the sole exception of what's happened with the NSA (which trend started before his time), what Obama's done isn't even close to what most of his predecessors - Republican or Democrat - have done. The worst IMO was Woodrow Wilson - a Democrat who was farther to the right than most people in the John Birch Society today.

    I suggest y'all read a bit of history before y'all start making broad-brush accusations based on not much more than what you've been fed by the right-wing echo chamber.
    Ok great... And you spoke out against bush when he did it, right?

    If so, your apology of Obama makes you a hypocrite.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    A president can only do with his pen or with executive orders what congress lets him do. A president can choose to ignore certain laws, choose to enforce some and not others and change laws to suit his whims if congress lets him. A president can do just about anything he wants if congress lets him. Congress as a co-equal branch of government can reign in any president in if they are willing to do so and make him abide by the powers stated in the Constitution if they want to.

    Congress can make any president walk a tight rope or they can let him do anything he wants. The problem today is members of a president’s party in congress have become more a member of the president’s administration than a member of congress. Those members of the president’s party are not interested in keeping the powers stated in the constitution in congress. They are more than willing to cede those powers to the administration only because the president is of the same political party. They take no pride or responsibility of being congressmen and or a member of that august body and upholding that once proud institution’s status as a co-equal branch of government. Hence the imperial presidency who will use his pen and executive orders to bypass congress.

    Since the congress of 1975-77 which reigned in the powers of the presidency, every president since that has added more powers to the presidency and congress has less and less. But it is congresses fault for letting each succeeding president add to the powers of the presidency.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    I'm simply pointing out if Obama is being accused of circumventing Congress, it is only fair to let people know his predecessor did so as well at a higher rate.
    I guess that would be a point to be made to someone that thinks that all executive orders circumvent Congress. I don't know that anyone here thinks that.

    I am just concerned with individual EO's that are beyond the President's power as allowed in the Constitution. Specifically, those that do things that only Congress is allowed to do.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Of all the threads here, this one is the most important. He just declared that he is going to take power from Congress and make laws himself, a clear violation of separation of powers. In fact, clearly a power that the President does not have. This is what dictators do. A bit of coupe, if I may be so bold. The sad part is that the media, the left, and even most of the right are sitting by silently while this happens before our eyes.

    This is not a Democrat v. Republican issue. It's a Constitutional and liberty issue.
    Yes, it is. Is it time for Congress to rein the President in? Should we contact our elected representatives and let them know that this is unacceptable? It is, after all, an election year.

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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    WOW that is some massively oblivious hypocrisy there. To write that whole long rant bitching and moaning about hypocrisy, while ignoring RIGHT OFF THE BAT, your own hypocrisy as you make it out to be something only one side is currently engaged in doing. As if the inverse isn't true, and there weren't plenty of democrats having a cow about it under Bush but don't vocalize anything when it's Obama doing it. The reality is BOTH sides of the political aisle routinely will get upset about something vocally when it's the other side, and will remain quiet about it or make excuses when it's their side...it's a natural occurence of tribalism.
    Hold on now...

    I thought I made myself clear that both sides can be hypocrites where claims of "power grabs" and "executive over-reach" are made (re: "how folks with idealogical bents stay mum when it's their guy in office abusing power yet claiming 'national security' to justify his actions (Republicans) but when it's the other guy in office (Democrat)...". Granted, I used an example of such an abuse of power from the perspective of the Democrats complaining when a Republican is in office, but I inferred that both sides can be hypocrites when it's their guy in office. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, but frankly, I was agreeing with BmanMcfly when he touched on the matter. But just to clarify my position: BOTH SIDES DO IT when it's their guy in the WH and they have the majority, but the moment the inverse happens, they're the first to start crying "foul".

    What I find funny about this entire situation is folks are upset over an act that hasn't even happened yet as far as the President's latest threat to use his executive authority to move the economy forward if Congress fails to act. They act as if this is the first time a sitting President has done such a thing. Still, I like the example you gave in post #112 reminding folks that "the Devil is in the details". To that, folks do have a legit concern about executive over-reach, but to complain about it not only before it happens but without knowing the specifics of what such an EO contains is folly.
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    Re: Obama On Executive Actions: ‘I’ve Got A Pen And I’ve Got A Phone’

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    It is not lame at all, when will liberals learn not all people agree with them?
    When will Cons like you learn that not every liberal is Hitler.

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