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Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

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Most hospitals allow brain dead patients to remain on life support for a short period of time as an "adjustment period"

And for the record, a crash C-section can happen within minutes.

I don't doubt that - but is it the optimal process or simply a matter of best option under the circumstances?
 
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Ariel Sharon, as an example, had been brain dead and on life support since 2007 and only died this month. The body's functions can easily be maintained for the 3 or 4 months necessary to give this child a chance at life.

Ariel wasn't brain dead, only PVS and I still think that was wrong.
 
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I agree. WTF does God know about death. We are human - we are supreme - we know, even if nature does not.

Do you take the same position for all humans who need other humans to assist and protect them from time to time? The homeless person on a street corner in winter - just leave him to freeze to death, right, because that's what nature would do. How about someone who has a heart attack or stroke - just let them live or die on their own devices? How about a premature baby, who needs incubation for a time until he/she more fully develops - just toss them on a table and let them survive or die by their own natural means? Or is it just those unfortunate enough not to escape the womb in time for human intervention?
 
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Ariel wasn't brain dead, only PVS and I still think that was wrong.

I don't disagree - I made the point in regards to a poster who claimed the woman would basically rot on life support - I simply wanted to point out that life support for 3 or 4 months to save the life of her child won't cause the woman's body such harm.
 
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No, what is "gruesome and repugnant" is a father and grandparents giving up on a member of their family appropriate of nothing, asking the hospital to suffocate them for unfathomable reasons.

One hopes these folks come to their senses and stop being so horrible and selfish.
Unfathomable? It's what the woman wanted. How is that hard to fathom?
 
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Unfathomable? It's what the woman wanted. How is that hard to fathom?

You have no proof of this claim.
 
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It's what the woman wanted.

There was no written anything.
 
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You have no proof of this claim.

The husband, the woman's parents. Are you suggesting they don't exist?
 
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I don't think that this healthy young woman ever thought she'd have an aneurysm at 33 while pregnant.
 
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I don't think that this healthy young woman ever thought she'd have an aneurysm at 33 while pregnant.

It's a good thing she had the foresight to tell her husband and parents what to do in this situation.
 
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It's what the woman wanted.

According to what document she signed?
 
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The husband, the woman's parents. Are you suggesting they don't exist?

They exist, yes.

If they're saying that their former wife / daughter respectively explicitly told them that she wanted their kid / grandkid to die with her should anything bad happen to only her, I'd call them liars. Seems more like they're not considering the circumstances at hand because they're in crazy grief mode.

Not that if they had it in writing and notarized that I'd care, but at least you could feel better about having made claims that you could substantiate.


If someone writes in their will that they bequeath their property to Jim and Sally, but someone should shoot Larry in the head, Jim and Sally will get property, and Larry will not be shot in the head; if he is, the shooter will face charges, will or not.
 
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According to what document she signed?

Having worked in the medical field for over thirty years, having a signed living will or DPOA is the exception rather than the rule. When patients are admitted to the hospital this information regarding DPOA is offered. We have always relied on the next of kin. Is it your presumption that this rule applies to everyone BUT her? For GOd's sake, the woman was a paramedic, as was her husband, I guarantee they discussed this ALOT!

But if you think a signed DPOA or living will is required for all cased. GO ahead and argue.

Oh hell, I am going to say it.....she does not even need a "living will". She is dead.

It is sick that her wishes and the wishes of her next of kin are not honored.

I am curious, who is paying her medical bills? I would think their insurance would have stopped paying when she died.
 
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I don't doubt that - but is it the optimal process or simply a matter of best option under the circumstances?

If a woman was declared brain dead at 8 months gestation, the optimal process and best option under the circumstances would be C-section.
 
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Having worked in the medical field for over thirty years, having a signed living will or DPOA is the exception rather than the rule. When patients are admitted to the hospital this information regarding DPOA is offered. We have always relied on the next of kin. Is it your presumption that this rule applies to everyone BUT her? For GOd's sake, the woman was a paramedic, as was her husband, I guarantee they discussed this ALOT!

But if you think a signed DPOA or living will is required for all cased. GO ahead and argue.

Oh hell, I am going to say it.....she does not even need a "living will". She is dead.

It is sick that her wishes and the wishes of her next of kin are not honored.

I am curious, who is paying her medical bills? I would think their insurance would have stopped paying when she died.

This woman was in the medical field, and lived in a state that specifically has a law about life support and pregnancy. She may not have known about that law, but she most likely did.

The second the husband tried to remove her from lie support is the second he no longer needs to pay.
 
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Do you take the same position for all humans who need other humans to assist and protect them from time to time? The homeless person on a street corner in winter - just leave him to freeze to death, right, because that's what nature would do. How about someone who has a heart attack or stroke - just let them live or die on their own devices? How about a premature baby, who needs incubation for a time until he/she more fully develops - just toss them on a table and let them survive or die by their own natural means? Or is it just those unfortunate enough not to escape the womb in time for human intervention?

If this is the case, then doctors are obsolete.
 
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If a woman was declared brain dead at 8 months gestation, the optimal process and best option under the circumstances would be C-section.

Missed the point - my point, and perhaps you're not interested, was that in a hospital setting, if a pregnant woman "died" would the hospital put her immediately on life support to protect the unborn child or would they immediately do a C-section. Again, it's to the issue of how long on life support is too long when it comes to giving an unborn child a chance at survival and a life of his/her own?
 
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If this is the case, then doctors are obsolete.

Absolutely right - the "let nature take its course" argument seems to me to be one that must hate all medical advancement or those who may intervene to alter the course of one's life.
 
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Absolutely right - the "let nature take its course" argument seems to me to be one that must hate all medical advancement or those who may intervene to alter the course of one's life.

This woman is dead. She is not on "life support" by any conventional meaning of the term and the hospital is merely in a race against decomposition in a macabre attempt to save a fetus from its fate.
 
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This woman is dead. She is not on "life support" by any conventional meaning of the term and the hospital is merely in a race against decomposition in a macabre attempt to save a fetus from its fate.

And an honorable race it is, in my view.
 
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And an honorable race it is, in my view.

Seems to me it's up to the family and everyone else can STFU..
 
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Seems to me it's up to the family and everyone else can STFU..

Unfortunately, this unborn child seems to have no family, at least not a loving one, and so the medical community or at least this hospital community will take on that role and do their best. To me, it would be no different if the woman had been 8 months pregnant and the husband said I don't want you to operate and save the child - let them go in peace.

There have been babies dumped in trash cans and left in bathroom stalls that have been found and saved through the caring of strangers and the medical community. These children had families who made decisions to let the babies die. Far as I'm concerned, any family that abandons even the smallest hope of saving the weakest among us can STFU themselves.
 
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This woman is dead. She is not on "life support" by any conventional meaning of the term and the hospital is merely in a race against decomposition in a macabre attempt to save a fetus from its fate.

There is no race. There is no decomposition yet.

The mother is brain dead. Decomposition will happen once the life support stops.
 
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Seems to me it's up to the family and everyone else can STFU..

Seems to me it's up to the State of Texas, and everyone else can STFU..
 
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