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Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

Her directive stated she wanted to be taken off life support while pregnant?

No, it stated that she did not want life support. She is now on life support. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
 
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The dead person, however, is no longer part of the deal.

Knowing a few transplant recipients I'd argue they pretty much are.
 
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if the woman is brain dead, does she have the right to die? you know: "rest in peace".

I thought she was already dead, according to you.
 
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Again, one patient is dead, the other is not.

The goal of medical triage is to save the patients you can save.

One patient cannot be saved, the other can. It makes no sense to be pushing for both patients to die.
 
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Again, one patient is dead, the other is not.

The goal of medical triage is to save the patients you can save.

One patient cannot be saved, the other can. It makes no sense to be pushing for both patients to die.

That's the problem though. Some people refuse to accept the fact the the baby in the womb is alive and worthy of saving.
 
Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

No, it stated that she did not want life support. She is now on life support. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

Even if she was pregnant?
 
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Even if she was pregnant?

So, are you intentionally being obtuse, or do you really not understand what an advance directive is?
 
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Again, one patient is dead, the other is not.

The goal of medical triage is to save the patients you can save.

One patient cannot be saved, the other can. It makes no sense to be pushing for both patients to die.

I'm not pushing for anyone to die. I'm pushing for allowing natural law to take effect. If they take her off life support and she lives long enough to give birth, wonderful. Nature isn't always nice. :shrug
 
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So, are you intentionally being obtuse, or do you really not understand what an advance directive is?

The first one.
 
Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

So, are you intentionally being obtuse, or do you really not understand what an advance directive is?

Are you being obtuse, or do you really not understand the question? Did the woman really want to be taken off life support if pregnant? Was it specified? Did she tell her husband that? Had her husband even claimed that she wanted that?
 
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She is dead. The baby isn't. The hospital is using the best means available to them to ensure the viability of the baby.

The 'fetus' is not really any of their business if the family doesnt want it to be. It seems like they may have a legal obligation due to TX health insurance laws. Policies, guidelines? Dont know.
 
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Even if she was pregnant?

Let's assume for a second that it doesn't specify one way or the other. The rest of it should be ignored because it gives you the warm fuzzies?
 
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Let's assume for a second that it doesn't specify one way or the other.

Ask the husband if he believes she wanted that.
 
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Ask the husband if he believes she wanted that.

Since he's not happy that the hospital is keeping her alive, I'm going to assume that he would say yes. Now do you think that she should be kept alive to give all the pro-life folks the warm fuzzies?

I'm guessing the directive didn't specifically state anything about an embolism either.
 
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Did she want to be taken off life support while pregnant?

Did she say she didn't? :confused:

Fact is her wishes are quite clear and trying to ask questions now is pointless and not a factor.

She made a simple, blanket statement with no exceptions- THAT is the guideline.

You are free to make a laundry list of exceptions in your notification, but you can't in hers.
 
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I respect advance directives and patient autonomy...

It's just I can't see any validity in applying it when there are two patients and one has no such documentation. Are we simply to assume the kid wants to die, despite our ability to save him or her?
 
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Fact is her wishes are quite clear and trying to ask questions now is pointless and not a factor.

Are they actually clear, or is that your opinion?

Since he's not happy that the hospital is keeping her alive, I'm going to assume that he would say yes.

No, ask him.
 
Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

I respect advance directives and patient autonomy...

It's just I can't see any validity in applying it when there are two patients and one has no such documentation. Are we simply to assume the kid wants to die, despite our ability to save him or her?

So if you respect the advance directives, why are you saying that hers should be ignored?
 
Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

I respect advance directives and patient autonomy...

It's just I can't see any validity in applying it when there are two patients and one has no such documentation. Are we simply to assume the kid wants to die, despite our ability to save him or her?

and since one patients existence is entirely dependent on the other, that kind of makes the issue complicated
 
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So, are you intentionally being obtuse, or do you really not understand what an advance directive is?

You follow an advanced directive like it's scripture. I'm not even in the medical field yet and I know that. It seems pretty obvious.
 
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So if you respect the advance directives, why are you saying that hers should be ignored?

There are two patients, one is savable, the other is already gone.

Between the two of them, the savable one is the one without documentation saying he or she wants to die in this situation.

Triage.
 
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What? Do you assume I am psychic? All I (or any of us) have to go by, is what her advance directive stated.

No worries. It's a stupid leading question.

The legal document states her wishes. If she felt she needed to make exceptions, she could have, so far we have not heard that she had.

Do people also state 'but not if I have a viable kidney for donation?' "But not if I have tuberculosis?" but not if my legs were cut off?" "But not if I was in the middle of surgery for cancer that had metastasized?" "but not if there's new research that indicates I can be frozen and woken later and cured?"

Hmmm. Seems like those legal documents are to stand 'as is' unless the person included other provisions. Otherwise, I'd say *if anything* it should be left up to their legal guardian/representative.
 
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