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Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

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Unitedwestand13 said:
does she have the right to die? if so she is being deinied that right.

this case reminds me of the terri schiavo case.
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She is dead. The baby isn't. The hospital is using the best means available to them to ensure the viability of the baby.
 
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rocket88 said:
The situation yes, but his views on artificial life support not really.
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And again, there's nothing artificial about the kid getting oxygen and nutrients from his or her mom. That's kind of normal in pregnancy, yeah.

Granted, those are nutrients from an NG tube and oxygen from a ventilator... but from the kid's end, what's the practical difference?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
if the mother dies no amount of life support can keep the baby alive once the mothers body starts to go into rigor mortis. or is that the reason why the life support is there in the first place? to prevent the mother's death to affect the health of the baby still attached by its umbilical cord to its dead mother?
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Yup - rigor mortis only sets in once one has died. As long as she's on life support, her body is being kept alive to keep the baby alive. If she's removed from life support, and dies, the baby will die as well.
 
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dupe post. Yay, lag.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
if the mother dies no amount of life support can keep the baby alive once the mothers body starts to go into rigor mortis. or is that the reason why the life support is there in the first place? to prevent the mother's death to affect the health of the baby still attached by its umbilical cord to its dead mother?
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Life support keeps the body's organs functioning, in this case until the child is viable - in other cases it is done to assist a patient who is in a coma and there is hope of recovery, or a patient who has died and needs to remain functioning until organs can be harvested and saved.
 
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Superfly said:
Terri Schiavo's case was different. According to her husband, Schiavo wanted to die. Her husband wanted her to die. Her family did not. This really has nothing at all to do with saving the life of a baby. It was simply an argument of, "My wife wants to die!" against, "My daughter doesn't want to die!" Schiavo was alive. The mother of this baby is not. She has no life. Nothing. So nothing that happens will harm her, mentally or physically - ever again.
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but the mother is still attached to the baby by the umbilical cord? the mother is on life support only to prevent her body from naturally expiring, ergo killing the baby.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
but the mother is still attached to the baby by the umbilical cord? the mother is on life support only to prevent her body from naturally expiring, ergo killing the baby.
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Yes. Hate to sound cold, but right now, the mother is nothing more than an incubator.
 
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Abortion supporters can't possibly agree with the actions of the hospital since to agree with the hospital is to agree that a life in the womb is worth something.
 
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Superfly said:
Yup - rigor mortis only sets in once one has died. As long as she's on life support, her body is being kept alive to keep the baby alive. If she's removed from life support, and dies, the baby will die as well.
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and since the baby cannot survive at this state without nutrients from its mother, it effectivly is shackled to the corpse.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
and since the baby cannot survive at this state without nutrients from its mother, it effectivly is shackled to the corpse.
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No more than a transplant recipient is "shackled to a corpse".
 
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Superfly said:
Yes. Hate to sound cold, but right now, the mother is nothing more than an incubator.
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i don''t follow any religion but i do understand that on a spirtual level the mother is suffering agony. she is brain dead, but not not dead in all senses of the term. she cannot get any piece because she is stuck in limbo: dead but not dead.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
Ariel Sharon, as an example, had been brain dead and on life support since 2007 and only died this month. The body's functions can easily be maintained for the 3 or 4 months necessary to give this child a chance at life.
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The issue, as I understand it, is what the estimated one hour of oxygen deprivation may have done to the unborn child. Since the mother died from that oxygen loss, it is very likely that the unborn child has suffered serious damage from that as well. State law says that the unborn must receive any and all medical aid available, but that may result in a severely impaired child that will require a lifetime of constant care from the family. IMHO, it should be up to the surviving family (the potential father) to decide whether to take that risk or not.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
i don''t follow any religion but i do understand that on a spirtual level the mother is suffering agony. she is brain dead, but not not dead in all senses of the term. she cannot get any piece because she is stuck in limbo: dead but not dead.
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Unless of course she wanted the human to to be brought to term even if she was brain dead.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
i don''t follow any religion but i do understand that on a spirtual level the mother is suffering agony. she is brain dead, but not not dead in all senses of the term. she cannot get any piece because she is stuck in limbo: dead but not dead.
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Where is the baby, then, in this scenario?
 
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This is a horrible decision for anyone to make. Sucks. I feel for the dad. His wife is dead and his unborn child has a high potential to not have a normal life.

I completely understand him wanting to take his wife off life support.
 
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jmotivator said:
Where is the baby, then, in this scenario?
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since the babies entire existance depends on nutrients supplied by the mother while it is in the womb, until the baby is born its fate depends on its mothers good health. if the mother dies, the baby shares the same fate.
 
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jmotivator said:
No more than a transplant recipient is "shackled to a corpse".
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Usually before transplanting organs into another person, they take them out of the corpse.

The more you know....
 
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jmotivator said:
Abortion supporters can't possibly agree with the actions of the hospital since to agree with the hospital is to agree that a life in the womb is worth something.
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Again, this isn't about abortion.

Cons support the actions of the hospital because not to do so would make them look less "pro-life."
 
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rocket88 said:
Again, this isn't about abortion.

Cons support the actions of the hospital because not to do so would make them look less "pro-life."
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No, it is because they ARE pro life and the baby is alive.
 
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rocket88 said:
Usually before transplanting organs into another person, they take them out of the corpse.

The more you know....
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Usually the plan is that the person leaves the hospital still connected to the dead person's organ.

The More You Know....
 
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jmotivator said:
No, it is because they ARE pro life and the baby is alive.
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Death is part of life. Are you against natural law.

Maybe it's because of the right's bizarre fetus fetish. I mean, since you want to turn it into a partisan pissing match, we might as well go all the way.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
since the babies entire existance depends on nutrients supplied by the mother while it is in the womb, until the baby is born its fate depends on its mothers good health. if the mother dies, the baby shares the same fate.
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I am talking about the soul of the baby in regard to your statement about the soul of the mother in your previous post.
 
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jmotivator said:
Usually the plan is that the person leaves the hospital still connected to the dead person's organ.

The More You Know....
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The dead person, however, is no longer part of the deal.
 
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jmotivator said:
I am talking about the soul of the baby in regard to your statement about the soul of the mother in your previous post.
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if you want the baby to live so badly why not petition to adopt it?
 
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