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Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

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Unitedwestand13 said:
how can we be sure the baby is healthy given the state of the mothers health?
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I can't, nor can you - that would be something the hospital would know and likely privileged to immediate family. I've seen nothing that indicates the child is physically or mentally harmed, so I can't say either way.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
That's fair - but let's say, however, in an abstract and admittedly crazy possibility, that a set of conjoined twins had differing views on life-support. Perhaps one had a serious problem or accident, was in a coma or brain dead and had given a directive not to put on life support - but the other twin's life depended upon life support being applied until such time as he/she could be medically treated and able to survive on his/her own. Should both have to die because one didn't want life support?
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too bad chang and ang were not born in this day and age, then that would provide a perfect place to answer that question.

of course chang and angs condition render's this arguement moot because not only were they conjoined siamese twins, but they both shared the same internal organs, when one twin died the other one was sure to follow suit.
 
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rocket88 said:
Maybe he just prefers natural law to take over. It seems completely illogical to me. In nature, when a pregnant mammal dies, usually the fetus also dies. That's nature, that's how it works. This isn't an abortion thing, this is simply the natural way of things.
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I'm sure he doesn't look at her as a pregnant mammal. He looks at her as the mother of his child. I agree with John - unless he didn't want the child to begin with, why would he not do everything in his power to keep the baby alive?
 
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CanadaJohn said:
That's fair - but let's say, however, in an abstract and admittedly crazy possibility, that a set of conjoined twins had differing views on life-support. Perhaps one had a serious problem or accident, was in a coma or brain dead and had given a directive not to put on life support - but the other twin's life depended upon life support being applied until such time as he/she could be medically treated and able to survive on his/her own. Should both have to die because one didn't want life support?
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But that's not what's happening here. I'd hope that conjoined twins could reach some kind of agreement, but I would think that kind of depends on how they're conjoined. Does the other twin really want to drag their sibling's corpse around for years after the fact?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
But is there no respect for the dead woman?

hold on, if the story claims the woman is "dead" why is the baby still alive?
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Brain death is death. There is nothing that can be done for the mother. Ordinarily, there would be no point in providing life support to a dead body...

This is hardly an ordinary situation, of course, as there's a kid involved.

You turn off that life support and you're killing that kid... a pointless death, entirely preventable.
 
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Superfly said:
I'm sure he doesn't look at her as a pregnant mammal. He looks at her as the mother of his child. I agree with John - unless he didn't want the child to begin with, why would he not do everything in his power to keep the baby alive?
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It wasn't that long ago that he wouldn't have a choice. It's called nature. Sometimes it sucks, but what are you going to do? I can totally see where the husband would say that if God intended for his wife to die while pregnant, then that's what God intended.
 
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JayDubya said:
Brain death is death. There is nothing that can be done for the mother. Ordinarily, there would be no point in providing life support to a dead body...

This is hardly an ordinary situation, of course, as there's a kid involved.

You turn off that life support and you're killing that kid... a pointless death, entirely preventable.
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But natural. That's how it works sometimes, it ain't always nice.
 
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JayDubya said:
Brain death is death. There is nothing that can be done for the mother. Ordinarily, there would be no point in providing life support to a dead body...

This is hardly an ordinary situation, of course, as there's a kid involved.

You turn off that life support and you're killing that kid... a pointless death, entirely preventable.
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the kid could still die anyway if it remains in its mothers body. if the mother is brain dead, i suspect that having the baby shackled to its mother's corpse by its umbilical cord is going to cause some health problems
 
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rocket88 said:
Maybe he just prefers natural law to take over. It seems completely illogical to me. In nature, when a pregnant mammal dies, usually the fetus also dies. That's nature, that's how it works. This isn't an abortion thing, this is simply the natural way of things.
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There's nothing natural, or human nature, to let any human simply die without doing what's possible to save him/her. Even in veterinary medicine, attempts are made to save the unborn when the carrying mother dies or is fatally injured.

If this woman had been 8 months pregnant, would you say she and her unborn child should both be left to die?
 
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rocket88 said:
It wasn't that long ago that he wouldn't have a choice. It's called nature. Sometimes it sucks, but what are you going to do? I can totally see where the husband would say that if God intended for his wife to die while pregnant, then that's what God intended.
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What are you going to do?? You are going to give that baby every fighting chance it has to survive. Sheesh. If God wants the baby dead, the baby's going to die no matter what. I don't mean to sound cold and callous, but the mother is, for all intents and purposes, dead. She is gone from this earth. All she's being used for right now is to incubate a baby, to give it a fighting chance. We keep people on life support for organ donation - why not to save a baby? Saving a life is saving a life.
 
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CanadaJohn said:
There's nothing natural, or human nature, to let any human simply die without doing what's possible to save him/her. Even in veterinary medicine, attempts are made to save the unborn when the carrying mother dies or is fatally injured.

If this woman had been 8 months pregnant, would you say she and her unborn child should both be left to die?
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If the child were developed enough to survive outside the womb, then I could see taking it out and letting the mother die. If not, then I really don't see the point in keeping both alive artificially.
 
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Superfly said:
This makes my head hurt. I can't wrap my head around how this can be legally allowed. To force a woman to carry full term is taking away her right to choose. But then she's dead, so she can't choose anyway.
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Any state that does not allow abortion on demand until one second before birth forces the woman to carry to term.
 
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rocket88 said:
But that's not what's happening here. I'd hope that conjoined twins could reach some kind of agreement, but I would think that kind of depends on how they're conjoined. Does the other twin really want to drag their sibling's corpse around for years after the fact?
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That's absurd, of course not - no more than the fetus in this case would want to drag around his/her mother after he/she becomes viable on his/her own. We're talking about a couple of months, not a lifetime.

I'd be haunted for life if my pregnant wife died and I signed the death warrant for her and my unborn child when the child could possibly be saved.
 
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Superfly said:
What are you going to do?? You are going to give that baby every fighting chance it has to survive. Sheesh. If God wants the baby dead, the baby's going to die no matter what. I don't mean to sound cold and callous, but the mother is, for all intents and purposes, dead. She is gone from this earth. All she's being used for right now is to incubate a baby, to give it a fighting chance. We keep people on life support for organ donation - why not to save a baby? Saving a life is saving a life.
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For a short time sure, not for months. We're not talking about a few hours or even a day here.
 
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scatt said:
Any state that does not allow abortion on demand until one second before birth forces the woman to carry to term.
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Red herring. Come back when you have something important to say.
 
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rocket88 said:
If the child were developed enough to survive outside the womb, then I could see taking it out and letting the mother die. If not, then I really don't see the point in keeping both alive artificially.
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From the kid's perspective, there's nothing "artificial" about it.

The kid is alive.
 
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rocket88 said:
Red herring. Come back when you have something important to say.
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Ad hom.

It is factual, the norm, and it applies here.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
how can we be sure the baby is healthy given the state of the mothers health?
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Based on the information available the baby has a heartbeat. Beyond that we don't know much of anything.
 
Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

Superfly said:
What are you going to do?? You are going to give that baby every fighting chance it has to survive. Sheesh. If God wants the baby dead, the baby's going to die no matter what. I don't mean to sound cold and callous, but the mother is, for all intents and purposes, dead. She is gone from this earth. All she's being used for right now is to incubate a baby, to give it a fighting chance. We keep people on life support for organ donation - why not to save a baby? Saving a life is saving a life.
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If the mother is dead then why not respect the wish's of the dead and allow her to rest in peace. putting her body on life support may keep the baby alive but is only extending the mothers tortured existence.
 
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JayDubya said:
From the kid's perspective, there's nothing "artificial" about it.

The kid is alive.
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How do you know the kid's perspective?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
If the mother is dead then why not respect the wish's of the dead and allow her to rest in peace. putting her body on life support may keep the baby alive but is only extending the mothers tortured existence.
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She wanted to taken off life support while pregnant?
 
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Lutherf said:
Based on the information available the baby has a heartbeat. Beyond that we don't know much of anything.
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if the mother is brain dead i think some of her bodies functions would stop working.
 
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scatt said:
Ad hom.

It is factual, the norm, and it applies here.
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No, it doesn't. This isn't about abortion.

I don't think you know what "ad hom" means.
 
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scatt said:
She wanted to taken off life support while pregnant?
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What if she did? Would that change your mind?
 
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