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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

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    We're not talking about what you believe. We're talking about what's real.
    Yeah that works - suggesting on a debate forum that we should just go with the flow: never question, disagree, disapprove, or alter anything that's ever put into legislation, etcetcetc?

    Since when?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except in 35 states.
    Post the states and the

    Link please ...
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Post the states and the

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    yes i would like to see them too, i want to know what 35 states that say pregnant women have no rights and i want to see the law that says this.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah that works - suggesting on a debate forum that we should just go with the flow: never question, disagree, disapprove, or alter anything that's ever put into legislation, etcetcetc?

    Since when?

    The abortion debate forum is alive and hopping with people who oppose the CURRENT state of things.
    There's no pending legislation here. In fact we don't even have clarity on what the CURRENT state of things is until the court weighs in. For all you know the hospital's interpretation is wrong and there's nothing to oppose. It's not like the hospital is taking any kind of stand on the issue either way, they're just trying to follow the law. Whichever way this court decides is how the hospital is going to act. The hospital isn't going to be filing for appeals and injunctions. This is not a re-enactment of Terry Schiavo. The family is uniform in their decision.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Except in 35 states.
    Not to rain on your parade, but my best source says it's 37 states, as of 2012. You may be using an older, or, more recent source.

    The 12-state number comes from those states which completely ban removal of life-support from pregnant patients; TX being one of them. The remaining 25 states have varying stipulations. While TX and other states completely invalidate the directive throughout the entire pregnancy, other states only invalidate the directive if the fetus is already viable. Additionally, Georgia, for example, requires both validity and the directive's specific direction to remove life-support if the fetus is not viable. Absent that specific declaration, Georgia will not remove life-support even if the fetus is not viable. Hawaii has yet different angle, in that the state allows the individual doctor to ignore an advanced directive to remove life-support from a pregnant patient.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Not to rain on your parade, but my best source says it's 37 states, as of 2012. You may be using an older, or, more recent source.

    The 12-state number comes from those states which completely ban removal of life-support from pregnant patients; TX being one of them. The remaining 25 states have varying stipulations. While TX and other states completely invalidate the directive throughout the entire pregnancy, other states only invalidate the directive if the fetus is already viable. Additionally, Georgia, for example, requires both validity and the directive's specific direction to remove life-support if the fetus is not viable. Absent that specific declaration, Georgia will not remove life-support even if the fetus is not viable. Hawaii has yet different angle, in that the state allows the individual doctor to ignore an advanced directive to remove life-support from a pregnant patient.
    hey look you did the work and it further proves her post wrong, AWESOME!
    thanks!
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    hey look you did the work and it further proves her post wrong, AWESOME!
    thanks!
    Well in all fairness nothing is proven until there's a credible link to supporting data. Now seeing as how it took me about 45 minutes to dig up my source, I hope you'll understand if I just keep it on reserve and see if anyone else cares to do their own homework.

    That being said, Scatt, I did re-read this entire thread and you never did source your 35-state number. I know this woman didn't have a DNR but you did say 34 other states have similar laws to TX and it's expected that you can source your claims. I like your style but there comes a point where you need to lay your cards on the table.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well in all fairness nothing is proven until there's a credible link to supporting data. Now seeing as how it took me about 45 minutes to dig up my source, I hope you'll understand if I just keep it on reserve and see if anyone else cares to do their own homework.

    That being said, Scatt, I did re-read this entire thread and you never did source your 35-state number. I know this woman didn't have a DNR but you did say 34 other states have similar laws to TX and it's expected that you can source your claims. I like your style but there comes a point where you need to lay your cards on the table.
    if you say so where this all started was scatt falsely implying that in 35 states pregnant women dont have rights, thats already false

    and IF your info is true its now even more false since there 37 states that have similar laws and some of them follow RvW according to you

    anyway you slice it, her post is wrong but this is typical
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    if you say so where this all started was scatt falsely implying that in 35 states pregnant women dont have rights, thats already false
    Well she didn't say that. That's bull**** you interjected into this thread. She said 35 states have similar laws regarding DNRs.

    Since the woman in question didn't have a DNR, for any of the DNR laws to then apply, the whole thing is academic and irrelevant anyway, which is the second reason you aren't getting direct answers.

    Maybe if you stop being an ass and stick to the topic, and maybe apply logic, you might get somewhere. Judging from your posting history you aren't predisposed to rational thought so I won't hold my breath, or respond to you further. I look forward to the update after the court has ruled.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Well she didn't say that. That's bull**** you interjected into this thread. She said 35 states have similar laws regarding DNRs.

    Since the woman in question didn't have a DNR, for any of the DNR laws to then apply, the whole thing is academic and irrelevant anyway, which is the second reason you aren't getting direct answers.

    Maybe if you stop being an ass and stick to the topic, and maybe apply logic, you might get somewhere. Judging from your posting history you aren't predisposed to rational thought so I won't hold my breath, or respond to you further. I look forward to the update after the court has ruled.
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    Except in 35 states.
    you lose

    and thanks again for further proving her post factually wrong

    i also look forward to the ruling

    the law should have never been passed as it violated RvW/individual rights

    im very happy someone challenged it
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