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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Forgive my ignorance but if DNR stands for Do Not Resuscitate, wouldn't one have to be legally dead in order for resuscitation to be appropriate, for a DNR to then be relevant? I mean, I see some folks making a stink about "she's dead" and I can't help but think "well dumbass you have to be in a coma or dead for a DNR to apply, and this lady is not in a coma, so thanks for stating the obvious I guess".

    It's like people don't know what the word "resuscitate" actually means.

    And on top of it, she's NOT legally dead, she's brain dead. She won't be legally dead until a physician pronounces her dead. Until that point, she's legally alive. If she had a living will for organ/tissue donation it would be in-force at this moment because she's still legally alive.
    She was pronounced dead in November. She is in fact...legally dead.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so you agree her statement is not honest and has no merit, got it, i agree also
    I don't even know what her statement was, I just think expecting in-depth discussions is unreasonable in the open forum.

    The open forum is the home of the sound-bite argument with a link or two to back it up. If you want a research paper quality argument then you need to go to the True Debate forum or The Loft forum.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't even know what her statement was, I just think expecting in-depth discussions is unreasonable in the open forum.

    The open forum is the home of the sound-bite argument with a link or two to back it up. If you want a research paper quality argument then you need to go to the True Debate forum or The Loft forum.
    not what i want at all lol

    and sound bite with links would be great but it was even that it was completely worthless
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    An occasional link to back up a statement perhaps with a quote from inside the link should be "do-able" without even coming near "true debate"status.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    Do I understand correctly? Outside of the loft actual debate is frowned upon?

    That explains a lot.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    After sifting through HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE CHAPTER 166. ADVANCE DIRECTIVES, I'm inclined to remain supportive of the hospital's actions.
    • No, that doesn't mean I'm a radical pro-lifer trying to get an edge in the law.
    • No, that doesn't mean I oppose the family's right to remove treatment from a brain-dead family member.

    My position is quite heartless, imo. I think the hospital was acting in good faith and following it's best understanding of the law.A hospital fears lawsuits everywhere it turns, and for good reason. Either remove life support from a "patient" and face civil and criminal charges for Fetal Homicide, or sustain life-support for a non-"patient" and eat the bill when a court says that was the wrong move, & possibly pay a small amount to the family as settlement so they don't sue.

    I would choose eating the bill over criminal charges every day of the week.

    Whatever the court decides, they had better hurry up, because in just over 3 weeks the fetus will be "viable" and terminating life-support would be an illegal abortion then.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Do I understand correctly? Outside of the loft actual debate is frowned upon?

    That explains a lot.
    By the DP community, not necessarily the Mod team. You don't see anyone getting an infraction for using a well sourced argument, but you don't see anyone getting an infraction for failing to source an argument, either. I'm sure the DP Mods would like to moderate debate instead of fighting.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not what i want at all lol

    and sound bite with links would be great but it was even that it was completely worthless
    What you said you wanted was..
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    ...to show every single other state you mention doing the same thing and then discuss the characteristics of that case vs. this one,...
    ...that's not a sound byte. That's a research paper. Links to all relevant laws to many other states and exhaustive review of *confidential* real cases. Even getting that information is a crime and an infraction possibly earning a permanent ban from this forum.

    That's unreasonable to expect.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What you said you wanted was..

    ...that's not a sound byte. That's a research paper. Links to all relevant laws to many other states and exhaustive review of *confidential* real cases. Even getting that information is a crime and an infraction possibly earning a permanent ban from this forum.

    That's unreasonable to expect.
    LMAO nice try jerry, carry on
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    LMAO nice try jerry, carry on
    You let me know if someone ever actually does all that research for you. It would take me hours to compose such a post, and we're not even battling for the black ribbon. No thank you.

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