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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Why would I need to do that? The law refers to DNRs not being relevant to pregnant women.
    Forgive my ignorance but if DNR stands for Do Not Resuscitate, wouldn't one have to be legally dead in order for resuscitation to be appropriate, for a DNR to then be relevant? I mean, I see some folks making a stink about "she's dead" and I can't help but think "well dumbass you have to be in a coma or dead for a DNR to apply, and this lady is not in a coma, so thanks for stating the obvious I guess".

    It's like people don't know what the word "resuscitate" actually means.

    And on top of it, she's NOT legally dead, she's brain dead. She won't be legally dead until a physician pronounces her dead. Until that point, she's legally alive. If she had a living will for organ/tissue donation it would be in-force at this moment because she's still legally alive.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    youll have to show ever single other state you mention doing the same thing and then discuss the characteristics of that case vs. this one, at least thats how honest conversation worthy or merit takes places.
    If this this were The Loft, you would be correct, but it's not. No such in-depth discussions are expected or required in the open forum. Never have been, never will.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Why would I need to do that? The law refers to DNRs not being relevant to pregnant women.
    She is not being resuscitated. SHE IS DEAD!!

    What do you not get about dead?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    She is not being resuscitated.
    She has no DNR.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    She is not being resuscitated. SHE IS DEAD!!

    What do you not get about dead?
    Brain dead is not legally dead. Her pulse and respiration have to stop, and then a doc can pronounce her dead, and then she's legally dead.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    She is not being resuscitated. SHE IS DEAD!!

    What do you not get about dead?
    Exactly.

    I agree the woman is dead and therefore she should not be hooked up to the ventilator against her husbands and her parents wishes.

    According to the article linked in post #523 the law refers to pregnant women who are comatose or in a vegetative state.

    SHE is DEAD....not comatose and not in a vegetative state.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Forgive my ignorance but if DNR stands for Do Not Resuscitate, wouldn't one have to be legally dead in order for resuscitation to be appropriate, for a DNR to then be relevant? I mean, I see some folks making a stink about "she's dead" and I can't help but think "well dumbass you have to be in a coma or dead for a DNR to apply, and this lady is not in a coma, so thanks for stating the obvious I guess".

    It's like people don't know what the word "resuscitate" actually means.

    And on top of it, she's NOT legally dead, she's brain dead. She won't be legally dead until a physician pronounces her dead. Until that point, she's legally alive. If she had a living will for organ/tissue donation it would be in-force at this moment because she's still legally alive.
    Actually, good questions.


    There is a difference between losing a pulse (for example) and being DECLARED dead. She (from what the reports have said)has been declared dead. Resuscitative efforts are stopped.

    So what they are doing is mechanically ventilating and feeding a corpse.

    Brain dead is legally dead. The time of death is the time of legally declaring brain death.

    So if a person is declared brain dead at 6 AM and kept on mechanical ventilation for harvesting organs until 3pm, the time of death will be 6 AM, not the time when they pull out the heart and take her off the ventilator. DOes that make sense.

    But yes, brain death is legal death.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Brain dead is not legally dead. Her pulse and respiration have to stop, and then a doc can pronounce her dead, and then she's legally dead.
    Actually it is.

    This was posted here or another thread from the Uniform Determination of Death Act

    Determination of Death. An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards
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    I hope this helps.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If this this were The Loft, you would be correct, but it's not. No such in-depth discussions are expected or required in the open forum. Never have been, never will.
    so you agree her statement is not honest and has no merit, got it, i agree also
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Brain dead is not legally dead. Her pulse and respiration have to stop, and then a doc can pronounce her dead, and then she's legally dead.
    Id be surprised if she doesn't have a death certificate. Most nations issue one in the case of brain death, shocked if Texas is different.

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