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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair - but when the individual is incapable of expressing their views/decisions - in this case, the fetus - I'm prepared to let the medical community do what they feel is in the best interest of that individual and not those who appear to have interests other than those of the individual.
    So in every other case the next of kin or DPOA has the ability to give and withdraw consent. Just not in this one?

    Do you not find that wrong?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So in every other case the next of kin or DPOA has the ability to give and withdraw consent. Just not in this one?

    Do you not find that wrong?
    35 states.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    End of life counseling is not assisted suicide!!!!!!!!!!

    What gave you that idea!!!!
    I never said it was. Palin said it was. Is Palin involved with this woman's body being kept on life support? You brought it up, you're the one who thinks Palin's 5-year-old comment is relevant to this thread. I think it has nothing to do with this thread. So "what about death panels" you ask? Nothing. That's what about them. Nothing. The person who would have needed end of life counseling is already dead, she didn't know in advance that she was going to die, nor did she kill herself. So either way it's completely irrelevant.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's fair - but when the individual is incapable of expressing their views/decisions - in this case, the fetus - I'm prepared to let the medical community do what they feel is in the best interest of that individual and not those who appear to have interests other than those of the individual.
    Be careful calling a fetus an 'individual' around here, or presuming a fetus can make 'views/decisions' even-though it can't express them.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I never said it was. Palin said it was. Is Palin involved with this woman's body being kept on life support? You brought it up, you're the one who thinks Palin's 5-year-old comment is relevant to this thread. I think it has nothing to do with this thread. So "what about death panels" you ask? Nothing. That's what about them. Nothing. The person who would have needed end of life counseling is already dead, she didn't know in advance that she was going to die, nor did she kill herself. So either way it's completely irrelevant.
    My apologies. I was responding to your implication that the left would use the child as a pawn. I was trying to show that your comment was an extreme change from earlier proclamations that any health care reform would mean "death panels" - by the way Palin may have started that - but it was oft repeated on the right.


    Again, my apologies. But I guarantee if the child is born alive and disabled, he will not use the child as a poster child for Obamacare. If the child was going to be used politically - don't you think it would be more likely by Pro-Life groups? Look how they used SChiavo in her vegetative state.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    35 states.
    Has any other state demanded to keep a DEAD woman on mechanical ventilation (etc) to maintain a pregnancy?

    DEAD, not vegetative or comatose.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Has any other state demanded to keep a DEAD woman on life support to maintain a pregnancy.

    DEAD, not vegetative or comatose.
    35, by law.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    It doesn't counter that. The organs provided were the heart, liver, pancreas and two kidneys - not organs I mentioned as likely to first degrade due to brain death.

    Also from translating the original Hungarian source, even those organs being harvested is apparently unprecedented.



    Egészség: Agyhalott asszony szült Debrecenben - HVG.hu
    Noted - however, I simply posted the article to counter the argument that the woman would "decay and rot" if left on life support because that's what her dead body would do, regardless of life support. The "brain dead" woman in the article I posted was on life support for 12 plus weeks while her unborn child developed from 15 wks to 27wks at which time a c-section was performed to birth the child. Those facts, such as they are, are totally relevant to the 14 wks old fetus in this case and the attempt to have it develop to the 25 plus wks status where it may be birthed.

    Doesn't guarantee that this child will be "perfect" or fully healthy - simply points out that similar has happened in the past, with great success. I'm siding with hopeful - you, as is your right, can choose whatever side you'd like.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So in every other case the next of kin or DPOA has the ability to give and withdraw consent. Just not in this one?

    Do you not find that wrong?
    No, I don't - quite simply because this is not every other case.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    35, by law.
    Point to the cases in those states where dead women are kept on mechanical ventilation to maintain pregnancy.

    Show me the part of the law that states dead women should be maintained on life support.

    Way back, I posted text that indicated they were speaking to a LIVING patient.

    Show me something to contradict that. Post from the law.

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