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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Legally there are no living people here. It's a pre-dead corps with an pre-living body. The state has no interest in the pre-dead corps (beyond maybe organ/tissue donation) but the state does have an interest in the potential life of the ZEF; See...
    I would argue in this case the state's interest in the potential life of the fetus is not a positive one. Having been oxygen deprived and exposed to all sorts of medical and pharmaceutical accoutrements if the child is born alive and stays alive...the state will have a severely disabled child to deal with for a lifetime.

    If the child is born alive without major defects, I will be the first to insist that they petition the Catholic Church to call this a true miracle.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I would argue in this case the state's interest in the potential life of the fetus is not a positive one. Having been oxygen deprived and exposed to all sorts of medical and pharmaceutical accoutrements if the child is born alive and stays alive...the state will have a severely disabled child to deal with for a lifetime.

    If the child is born alive without major defects, I will be the first to insist that they petition the Catholic Church to call this a true miracle.
    My counter-point would be that the current administration would welcome the little unborn-statistic as a pawn to show how needed Obama'Care and other social programs are.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    My counter-point would be that the current administration would welcome the little unborn-statistic as a pawn to show how needed Obama'Care and other social programs are.
    What about "Death Panels".

    I do not think the baby will be a poster child for the Dems like Schiavo was a poster child for the Republicans.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    What about "Death Panels".
    I don't think assisted suicide has any play in this thread ("Death Panels" is Palin's 2009 hyperbolic reference to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 regarding end-of-life counseling).

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I do not think the baby will be a poster child for the Dems like Schiavo was a poster child for the Republicans.
    Not a poster child, no, just a useful statistic.
    Last edited by Jerry; 01-21-14 at 11:37 PM.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    I would argue in this case the state's interest in the potential life of the fetus is not a positive one. Having been oxygen deprived and exposed to all sorts of medical and pharmaceutical accoutrements if the child is born alive and stays alive...the state will have a severely disabled child to deal with for a lifetime.
    You don't know this.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You don't care how your family would be affected if that happened? Wow. I certainly do.
    it'x not the worst thing, that would have been my death in the first place. After I'm dead, it's just a body. A hunk of useless meat that will eventually decay. If a human life is on the line, and we can arrange to save it, it seems rather logical to do so.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The uncertainty of the child's health is the reason the Dad and mother are wanting to kill it. They don't want the responsibility of caring for the child if it isn't normal.
    Tough.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I don't think assisted suicide has any play in this thread ("Death Panels" is Palin's 2009 hyperbolic reference to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 regarding end-of-life counseling).
    End of life counseling is not assisted suicide!!!!!!!!!!

    What gave you that idea!!!!

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I was making a sarcastic comment about science and how it dabbles too much in what is the natural process of life and death.

    When the ability of the doctors and medicine surpasses nature *and* violates the individuals personal views and decisions - it's crossed the line.
    That's fair - but when the individual is incapable of expressing their views/decisions - in this case, the fetus - I'm prepared to let the medical community do what they feel is in the best interest of that individual and not those who appear to have interests other than those of the individual.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I just wanted to add this article to the discussion. While it's not completely identical to the situation here, it does relay the story of a woman who died from a cerebral hemorrhage, at 15 weeks pregnant, and she was kept on life support until her child was delivered by c-section at 27 weeks, healthy and well. It also indicates this is not the first such occasion where it has happened.

    Baby Born To Brain-Dead Mother 3 Months After Woman's Declared Death

    I should add that it also indicates that the woman was kept on life support for two additional days after giving birth so that her internal organs could be donated. I mention this to counter the arguments of some who indicate that a dead person on life support would decay and "rot" if left on life support that long.
    It doesn't counter that. The organs provided were the heart, liver, pancreas and two kidneys - not organs I mentioned as likely to first degrade due to brain death.

    Also from translating the original Hungarian source, even those organs being harvested is apparently unprecedented.

    Was born by caesarean section , the baby whose mother is brain-dead state for months , the 31 -year-old woman was used in addition to the five organ transplant purposes as well. This is the first case in the world that lasted 92 days in transplantable condition of brain death occurs after a mother who gave birth to her child.
    http://hvg.hu/egeszseg/20131113_Gyer...t_asszony_Debr

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