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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So, are you telling me they have the patient listed as the baby?
    I don't know - likely not - in legal terms, I doubt an unborn child is covered under the parent's insurance policy - but there's no doubt that the fetus is the patient.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    After that other thread, what you "find offensive on a moral level" is a pretty solid indicator of the right thing to do.

    Nothing says you have to be for killing every kid all the time, you know.
    Yeah sure - I support the right for dead women to be buried and a 13 year old to have a real childhood.

    Such a ghastly belief, here.

    Seriously - if technology keeps going and it becomes possible to test tube babies from concept you'd rather that be what happens rather than women making a choice about anything. Glass tube generation here we come. Who's going to care for them? WHO CARES!
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    A woman's body should never been seen and used as just an incubator - which is all they're doing.

    I find it offensive on a moral level that they'll put aside everything for one far from being born infant. She 14 weeks into her pregnancy when she went into a vegetative state. This situation should not be happening. They should have let the husband mourn the loss of infant and wife in a respectable manner rather than abducting the concept of letting her go and turning her into a science experiment.
    If you can save the baby, I don't see the problem. Yes science has moved us forward, we shouldn't shun it and waste life when we can otherwise do something about it. Don't fear science.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah sure - I support the right for dead women to be buried and a 13 year old to have a real childhood.

    Such a ghastly belief, here.

    Seriously - if technology keeps going and it becomes possible to test tube babies from concept you'd rather that be what happens rather than women making a choice about anything. Glass tube generation here we come. Who's going to care for them? WHO CARES!
    You're starting to sound a bit like a young earth creationist.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah sure - I support the right for dead women to be buried and a 13 year old to have a real childhood.

    Such a ghastly belief, here.

    Seriously - if technology keeps going and it becomes possible to test tube babies from concept you'd rather that be what happens rather than women making a choice about anything. Glass tube generation here we come. Who's going to care for them? WHO CARES!
    I don't want to get into a whole abortion debate/discussion here - not the place - but I'm confused by this response. Seems to me you're saying that women should have the choice - I agree - but then you disparage a "glass tube generation" where medical science makes it possible to "parent" a child without a woman becoming pregnant and carrying a child to term. Could it be that you just simply support "control" rather than choice? Seems not too long ago the fashionable scenario in feminist circles was to claim that pretty soon men wouldn't be needed - are you afraid that it may come full circle and women won't be needed?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you can save the baby, I don't see the problem. Yes science has moved us forward, we shouldn't shun it and waste life when we can otherwise do something about it. Don't fear science.
    Yes, but as pointed out she went dead while the baby was 14 weeks. She shouldn't be used as an incubator just because she is unable to give any type of consent. Also, there is no telling what the lack of oxygen has done to the fetus in terms of mental development and won't be seen for probably years to come.

    No, this isn't science keeping a dead woman alive as an incubator, this is just wrong. Now if science was able to remove the fetus from her and they could develop on their on, that's fine. But this is just plain wrong IMO.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't presume top draw the line - I leave it to medical science to determine if saving the fetus and bringing it to term or independent existence is feasible and/or likely. I doubt very much, in your example, that doctors would know a woman is 3 weeks pregnant - the woman likely wouldn't even know - until an autopsy was done, so the point is moot. I'll always take the side of saving innocent life, where possible.
    So ignorance of a brain dead woman's pregnancy is an excuse?? am not being flip about it - if this is so important and "ethical", should they not be testing every comatose or brain dead woman of childbearing years for pregnancy before they "pull the plug' ??? By they way, most women I know these days have a sense of if they are pregnant or not with the first missed period so. They miss a period, take an ept and voila.

    If she is 21 days pregnant and brain dead - why not? Is that life not going to be respected and given a chance?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't know - likely not - in legal terms, I doubt an unborn child is covered under the parent's insurance policy - but there's no doubt that the fetus is the patient.
    DO you think a dead person is covered by insurance?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So ignorance of a brain dead woman's pregnancy is an excuse?? am not being flip about it - if this is so important and "ethical", should they not be testing every comatose or brain dead woman of childbearing years for pregnancy before they "pull the plug' ??? By they way, most women I know these days have a sense of if they are pregnant or not with the first missed period so. They miss a period, take an ept and voila.

    If she is 21 days pregnant and brain dead - why not? Is that life not going to be respected and given a chance?
    Sure you're being flip, that's why you make such a laughable suggestion. As for a woman "sensing" she's pregnant, that may very well be true, but how many women tell their husbands or others that they sense they're pregnant at 21 days? Remember, the woman is dead so what she "sensed" even an hour ago isn't going to be readily available to those treating her.

    I'll turn your own question back on you - at 8 months pregnant, 7 months, 6 months, when do you just let the mother and her unborn child both die because the husband/father mother/grandmother want to get on with grieving? You're the one sitting in judgement and passing a death sentence on a developing human life, so you tell us your criteria for deeming a life worth saving.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    DO you think a dead person is covered by insurance?
    I don't know the legal ins and outs of American medical coverage - here in Canada, it wouldn't be an issue - the fetus would be a patient and as such would be entitled to all the life-saving services the hospital could offer. I'm tempted to say that in America, where companies get sued for coffee being too hot, an insurance company is not going to want to be seen as killing a child that a hospital is trying to save. In this case, where the husband and mother want the plug pulled, it might be easier for them, but I don't know.
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