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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Keeping a dead woman attached to machines to have nursing staff turn her frequently, cleanse her every several hours of urine and/or feces...poke her dead body for laboratory tests, feed her with a tube , maintain IV's.........that is a dignified death? After a dignified death, a family is able to pick up the pieces, grieve, and move on. Good Lord. Dignified???Attahed to machines after death against her expressed wishes??? Please, dignified?
    Yes, dignified - far more dignified that the craven need to destroy the potential life inside her dead body to satisfy misplaced sentimentality. Tell you what - I sure hope medical science advances far enough that when I die my carcass can be used in multiple ways, even as an incubator, to save and or promote the health and life of someone else. And if my family doesn't like it, too bloody bad and I'd be embarrassed by them if they objected.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    The machines are specifically life-sustaining machines.
    That's certainly what they're designed to do. In this case, though, they're not sustaining life, they're slowing down the decomposition of a dead body. Like I said earlier in the thread, I truly hope for the best, but this is beyond creepy.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Like I said earlier in the thread, I truly hope for the best, but this is beyond creepy.
    Welcome to state intervention.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, dignified - far more dignified that the craven need to destroy the potential life inside her dead body to satisfy misplaced sentimentality. Tell you what - I sure hope medical science advances far enough that when I die my carcass can be used in multiple ways, even as an incubator, to save and or promote the health and life of someone else. And if my family doesn't like it, too bloody bad and I'd be embarrassed by them if they objected.
    While I respect what you want done with your dead body......you cannot make that decision for others.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If it was my child, and my responsibility, yes. I took care of my mother for the last 25 years of her life, many of those years while she was bedridden and changing and washing her several times a day. Before that, I took care of my father in similar circumstances. They didn't want to be put in a home or facility and I valued their lives, such as they were, to the very end.

    It's funny, at least to me, that those on the left are always tossing out the "are you willing to adopt the child" challenge whenever discussing unborn life and yet for every other circumstance where those on the left want to have society and "taxpayers" fund and support the less fortunate, they never claim they are willing to have the homeless live with them, the unemployed live with them, the handicapped live with them, the addicted live with them. No, there's no need for anyone on the left to take personal responsibility for the millions they want society to support, yet anyone who values the defenseless lives of the unborn must be willing to personally adopt every child saved.

    That attitude is a disgrace.
    I respect what you did for your parents, but you weren't 30 years older than them. Dealing with the reality of what happens to them after you die.

    Your admonishment of the generalised "left" (i consider myself on the right and am anti-abortion) applies to the husband. An EMT who was paid a pitance to save lives, certainly more than most of us here ever have or will. He has to sit beside his decaying wife with a baby that has the survival probability of close to zero. But you're sitting here thinking you know more about the issue than he does.

    It beggars belief.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    I wonder how the baby is receiving nourishment? Surely whatever they are pumping into the woman's stomach would not be en par with her being alive and eating according to her craving impulses? I think this baby is screwed either way.

    It's really disturbing that Texas can bypass a DNR order, which is legally binding, all because of Christian ideology. For all we know this baby and its mother were meant to die together and journey on together. Even the religious implications here are disturbing. Christians get to decide because they made the law. She already told us her choice when she didn't make any stipulation to save the baby. She doesn't want her body violated, which is what's going to happen when the baby is full term and a c-section is needed.

    This case is gross... and Texas is ****ed up. That baby will be born without a mother. It is not the State's choice.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    It's really disturbing that Texas can bypass a DNR order, which is legally binding, all because of Christian ideology.
    There is no DNR.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If it was my child, and my responsibility, yes. I took care of my mother for the last 25 years of her life, many of those years while she was bedridden and changing and washing her several times a day. Before that, I took care of my father in similar circumstances. They didn't want to be put in a home or facility and I valued their lives, such as they were, to the very end.

    It's funny, at least to me, that those on the left are always tossing out the "are you willing to adopt the child" challenge whenever discussing unborn life and yet for every other circumstance where those on the left want to have society and "taxpayers" fund and support the less fortunate, they never claim they are willing to have the homeless live with them, the unemployed live with them, the handicapped live with them, the addicted live with them. No, there's no need for anyone on the left to take personal responsibility for the millions they want society to support, yet anyone who values the defenseless lives of the unborn must be willing to personally adopt every child saved.

    That attitude is a disgrace.
    I have had my mother with me for about 15 years. I have respected her wishes and cared for her as best I can. So I understand the concept. Completely.

    But what about this woman's husband. He wants to abide by his wife's wishes. They were both paramedics - so I am sure they were acutely aware of quality of life issues and had made personal judgments about quality of life. Who are we to push our individual points of view on that family? People decide all the time on infants, children, adults, and the elderly to withhold medical care - why is it so cringingly horrible to allow a woman who suffered catastrophic cardiovascular collapse including lack of ox.ygen to pass along with the 14 week old fetus (who was without O2 as well). I just think this is a decision that should have been left to the next of kin.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    There is no DNR.
    Scat!

    She is dead. You do not need a DNR order for a dead person. She is not being resuscitated. You do not resuscitate a corpse.

    What do you not "get" about "dead"?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    She is dead.
    And on life-supporting medical equipment.

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