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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    So much "may," all of it so irrelevant.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late ...

    Why would she believe that keeping a dead patient on life support was an option?

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Because that is the law.
    Actually experts say the hospital is incorrectly applying the statute because Munoz would be considered legally and medically dead.

    Experts familiar with the Texas law say the hospital is incorrectly applying the statute because Munoz would be considered legally and medically dead.


    "Marlise Munoz is dead, and she gave clear instructions to her husband and family -- Marlise was not to remain on any type of artificial `life sustaining treatment', ventilators or the like," the lawsuit said. "There is no reason JPS should be allowed to continue treatment on Marlise Munoz's dead body, and this Court should order JPS to immediately discontinue such."

    The suit argues that the hospital's interpretation of Section 166.049 is "in complete conflict with other portions of the statute, makes no sense, and amounts to nothing more than the cruel and obscene mutilation of a deceased body against the expressed will of the deceased and her family."
    Family of Pregnant, Brain Dead Woman Files Lawsuit to Remove Life Support | NBC 5 Dallas-Fort Worth
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Actually experts say the hospital is incorrectly applying the statute because Munoz would be considered legally and medically dead.
    "experts"

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    So if I understand correctly, people who believe this woman should be kept on life support also believe a dead persons organs should be harvested regardless of consent? I'm not sure what the ethical difference would be in regards personal autonomy Vs. the greater good.
    Personally, not being a religious person, I think anything we as human beings can do to save or better the lives of our fellow humans should be encouraged. I see nothing ethically, morally, or civilly wrong with harvesting the organs, where possible, of those people who have died. Although I've registered for such and informed my family of such, had I not done so I'd be perfectly comfortable with harvesting being the default position and only when specific written instructions from the person who died are available and valid would harvesting not take place.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Incorrect the had no pause and had been without Oxygen for an extended time. They shocked the woman and gave drugs which restarted her heart and even though she was brain dead they could detect a fetal heartbeat so they put the woman on life support.

    The fetus may have also died and be brain dead also for all we know.
    The fetus also recieved the shock and the meds that were used to restart the woman's heart and they may have restarted the heart of the fetus also.
    Usually I can credit a lot of what you post as reasonable and a good defense of your position, but I have to say, on a personal level, I find it quite sad that you are prepared to accept the possibility of all the negatives, all the contingencies that can go wrong for the fetus, but unwilling to even acknowledge or credit the possibilities in favor of the fetus surviving, developing, and reaching the point of independent viability.

    This isn't a matter of choice where all the usual abortion pros and cons are at issue and where the woman is making a life-choice of her own. This is solely an issue of the viability of life for the fetus - no woman is being forced to give birth and raise a child - no woman is being forced to suffer the potential life altering or ending risks of pregnancy - no woman is being forced to carry a child she doesn't want or didn't plan for - there's only one being here who's life is in any way impacted by the decisions being made and it's a sad commentary, for me anyway, that so many people are so quick to discard this life.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Usually I can credit a lot of what you post as reasonable and a good defense of your position, but I have to say, on a personal level, I find it quite sad that you are prepared to accept the possibility of all the negatives, all the contingencies that can go wrong for the fetus, but unwilling to even acknowledge or credit the possibilities in favor of the fetus surviving, developing, and reaching the point of independent viability...

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    I care deeply and I fear for this fetus greatly.
    The way I see it is if this woman was without oxygen for more than a few minutes there is very little chance the fetus will be born healthy.
    I do pray that if The hospital and Texas law gets their way and that the fetus is carried to viability and delivered that is was spared the trauma the woman went trough and will be healthy.

    However , I do have some medical knowledge (as does this woman's husband ) and that is why I am so negative in my outlook and hold very little hope for this fetus.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    "experts"
    Experts!
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Again, that is the law. Also, it is from 1989. She is not big on medical law, and does not know how to read the law.
    Can you link me to the law that says you keep a dead person on "life" support?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    I'm afraid taking a dead person off life support and letting nature take its course is not killing. This is different from abortion because it takes active intervention to abort as it does to keep a dead body's heart beating.

    She never took on any responsibility to be used as an incubator in death, and made expressed desire in how she would be treated in death.

    The government taking control of your body is wrong in all cases.
    Thanks for the slice of reality.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support[W:315]

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Ok, regardless of who much those of you referring to the unborn child as "it" (making it abundantly clear that you have dismissed other human's lives as less important than your own) would like to kill this kid, the decision is based on medical protocol. If a patient is able to make rational decisions of course we defer to their decisions within the law. In the event that the patient is unresponsive we operate under "implied consent" meaning opting for appropriate treatment that would be in line with what the patient would decide if they could. For instance if I come up on a car accident and the driver is unresponsive and bleeding from the head they would likely want me to treat them for that injury. In this case the woman carried the child past the point of legal abortion, so it would be assumed she intended to deliver the child. For those of you who would prefer this child could be a notch on the the liberal abortion totem, I suggest you go out and have sex (preferably with a stranger or someone else's partner in order to feed your need to be progressive), get pregnant, and kill "it". Perhaps that will appease your blood lust for a while.

    Too much? Well, I keep hearing how the government should stay out of other people's bedrooms, perhaps you might stay out of hers.
    In the case of the pregnant dead woman- why all the implied consent talk. You have the next of kin clearly telling the hospital what he knows his wife wanted. Imply from that!!!

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