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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I am frequently surprised by the odd things people think and say about biology and healthcare... I am uncertain how people think it is that the mother would "decompose" or how this situation corresponds to the fictional Dr. Frankenstein and his work with electricity and flesh golems...
    I'm not so surprised - medicine is pretty foreign to most of us and not something we readily understand - the concept of "dead" yet on "life support" seems a contradiction and so it appears that a "corpse" is being used to incubate.

    I don't fault people for not understanding - hell, there's lots I don't understand about the process and the possible outcomes - but I do fault and completely don't understand those who don't want any attempts made to save the unborn child.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Unless, of course, some "group" decides to take up the cause and push it into the courts.
    Time is not on the side of anyone who wants to see this kid killed.

    Even were a judge to rule it ok to turn off the life support, there would be appeals.

    The kid is better off in his or her mother in a neuroICU than in a neonatalICU at 24 weeks... but the latter at least becomes possible soon.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Unfortunately, this unborn child seems to have no family, at least not a loving one, and so the medical community or at least this hospital community will take on that role and do their best. To me, it would be no different if the woman had been 8 months pregnant and the husband said I don't want you to operate and save the child - let them go in peace.

    There have been babies dumped in trash cans and left in bathroom stalls that have been found and saved through the caring of strangers and the medical community. These children had families who made decisions to let the babies die. Far as I'm concerned, any family that abandons even the smallest hope of saving the weakest among us can STFU themselves.
    John, seems like the husband and the woman's mother are suing the hospital to keep the fetus alive. I can understand this. They've lost a loved on and are hanging on to hope for a memory. I understand their desire and wish them the best in a tragic situation.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    John, seems like the husband and the woman's mother are suing the hospital to keep the fetus alive. I can understand this. They've lost a loved on and are hanging on to hope for a memory. I understand their desire and wish them the best in a tragic situation.
    unfortunately, no, you have this kind of backwards. the father and the grandparents are suing to make the hospital kill the kid.

    the hospital, however, is not going to do this.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    unfortunately, no, you have this kind of backwards. the father and the grandparents are suing to make the hospital kill the kid.

    the hospital, however, is not going to do this.
    Honestly I haven't been following this but I did read the article that started this thread. This is what it starts with.

    Erick Munoz of Fort Wort, Texas, found his wife Marlise unconscious on the kitchen floor on November 26
    She had suffered a pulmonary embolism and has been brain dead since
    Munoz and Marlise's mother are now suing the hospital who say that Texas law prevents them from turning off her ventilator, against their wishes
    Mother of one, Munoz is now 20 weeks pregnant
    It is unknown how the fetus was affected after Marlise was deprived of oxygen for an hour


    Read more: Family of brain dead 20-week pregnant mom suing hospital refusing to turn off her life support until the baby can be born | Mail Online
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    That's all I know.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm pretty sure Jeb Bush regrets any involvement in that mess.
    He should.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Honestly I haven't been following this but I did read the article that started this thread. This is what it starts with.

    Erick Munoz of Fort Wort, Texas, found his wife Marlise unconscious on the kitchen floor on November 26
    She had suffered a pulmonary embolism and has been brain dead since
    Munoz and Marlise's mother are now suing the hospital who say that Texas law prevents them from turning off her ventilator, against their wishes
    Mother of one, Munoz is now 20 weeks pregnant
    It is unknown how the fetus was affected after Marlise was deprived of oxygen for an hour


    Read more: Family of brain dead 20-week pregnant mom suing hospital refusing to turn off her life support until the baby can be born | Mail Online
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    That's all I know.
    They are suing the hospital because the hospital refuses to take her off life support, despite the fact that the husband and family want her removed.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    There is no race. There is no decomposition yet. The mother is brain dead. Decomposition will happen once the life support stops.
    You cannot provide "life support" for a corpse. And, yes, decomposition can and will occur whether they hook a ventilator up to her body or not just as it did/does in the Jahi case.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    You cannot provide "life support" for a corpse.
    Yes, Mrs. Munoz is dead. No one disputes that. Brain death is death.

    Her brain is dead, which means she is dead.

    However, you can in fact keep her corpse's other organs alive for a very, very long time... in a tiny fraction of that potential time, it should be possible to save the kid. At that point you turn of the life support, and not before.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    I'll post it again:

    I find it absolutely disgusting anyone would want to see this baby die when the baby can live.

    What the **** is wrong with some people?

    Furthermore I love how people are now talking about "fathers rights" when in situations like this the typical progressive mantra is "its a womans body" - well shes a vegetable now....

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