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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Forcing a dead woman to be on life support so her body can be used as an incubator for months against her wishes, her husbands wishes and her parents wishes, is what makes this case gruesome and repugnant.

    If her husband wanted her to be on life support to try to give the fetus a chance to continue to develop than no, in that case it would not be gruesome and repugnant.

    If she were my daughter though, I would let her expire in dignity and peace because I know each of my my daughters well and I know both of them would not want to be hooked up to a machine if she were brain dead.
    Well, we don't know what the dead woman's wishes were - she's dead, and we only have the husband's word on that and as I've said before, I don't know a single woman who'd say "if I'm going to die, please let me take my growing child with me".

    Secondly, even if we credit what the woman's wishes may be, and we know the husband's wishes - do we know the wishes of the only living being who's life is being decided by all these other people? As was stated above, there's no guarantee this developing child is in any way damaged, and even if he/she is there is no way of knowing the extent of that damage - as "nota bene"s post notes, there have been cases where a child has survived and thrived in such a situation. Even if we credit your assumption that the child will be damaged, who's to say that damaged child won't have a fulfilling and enjoyable existence if given the chance? Clearly, in comparison to yours or mine, the child's life may be far more physically and/or mentally challenging, but I don't know of many people who have been born with afflictions and wished they'd never been born. That's usually left to those who acquire an affliction after several years of "normal" life.

    As for knowing what your own daughters want, if it's not in writing, giving you specific instructions, then you really don't know what they would be thinking or want at that crucial moment in time.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

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    I absolutely love that some of the same people who think homosexuality isn't normal even though it's found in thousands of species are sitting here arguing that what is basically consists of turning a persons body into an egg from the Alien movies, without her or her husband's consent and then hoping that a facehugger doesn't come out - is somehow normal.
    Perhaps you'd like to name some of those cretins you refer to, or are you satisfied to tar everyone you disagree with?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    I can't even believe anyone would be opposed to this.

    I can't believe there are people out there that would like to see this child die - like it's some sort of civil liberty to murder someone.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you would be wrong. the answer to the question is "yes". There are at least 19 other cases, since 1982. In 12 of those cases the fetus survived until birth and lived for some time afterwards. In the other seven cases, the fetus was terminated via miscarriage.

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    It should also be noted that all of the fetuses that survived until birth were over 14 weeks gestation when the woman was declared brain dead.

    1 was 15 weeks gestation and the other 11 were further along in gestation.

    2 that were 13 weeks gestation , 1 that was 14 weeks gestation, and 1 that was 15 weeks gestation when the woman became brain dead were miscarried.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It should also be noted that all of the fetuses that survived until birth were over 14 weeks gestation when the woman was declared brain dead.

    1 was 15 weeks gestation and the other 11 were further along in gestation.

    2 that were 13 weeks gestation , 1 that was 14 weeks gestation, and 1 that was 15 weeks gestation when the woman became brain dead were miscarried.
    so where's the problem? if the fetus is going to miscarry in a couple of weeks anyway, why rush it?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
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    As for knowing what your own daughters want, if it's not in writing, giving you specific instructions, then you really don't know what they would be thinking or want at that crucial moment in time.

    It is in writing.
    All our children their, spouses, my husband and myself have living will directives in writing.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    I'm sure people will be happy to take advantage here but altho I stand by the father and woman's mother and believe they should have the final word, this is NOT like abortion IMO. In an abortion, a fetus is killed or rendered painfree immediately. What we're talking about here is a fetus starving and wasting away for however long it takes to die.

    I do not believe that abortion is cruel...no matter how many pro-lifers like to bring up crackpot or incompetent practitioners that can exist in any medical field...but I cannot stand the thought of any creature in pain unnecessarily and I wouldnt treat my dogs like that. I believe in euthenization but not letting something just waste away.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It is in writing.
    All our children their, spouses, my husband and myself have living will directives in writing.
    a living will doesn't supercede the law....

    If you don't like it, lobby to change the law.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    What we're talking about here is a fetus starving and wasting away for however long it takes to die.
    not even close. as long as the mother is on life support, the fetus isn't going to starve and waste away.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Forcing a dead woman to be on life support so her body can be used as an incubator for months against her wishes, her husbands wishes and her parents wishes, is what makes this case gruesome and repugnant.

    If her husband wanted her to be on life support to try to give the fetus a chance to continue to develop than no, in that case it would not be gruesome and repugnant.

    If she were my daughter though, I would let her expire in dignity and peace because I know each of my my daughters well and I know both of them would not want to be hooked up to a machine if she were brain dead.
    No, what is "gruesome and repugnant" is a father and grandparents giving up on a member of their family appropriate of nothing, asking the hospital to suffocate them for unfathomable reasons.

    One hopes these folks come to their senses and stop being so horrible and selfish.

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