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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

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    1. Do you?
    6. Odd perspective for a parent.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Earlier, someone linked to an LA Times article that discusses one 2010 study:

    Researchers from Heidelberg University in Germany scoured the medical literature for cases of pregnant women who were kept on life support after being declared brain-dead. They were able to find details on 19 such cases that were reported from 1982 to 2010.

    Twelve of those fetuses were delivered by caesarean section and survived for some period of time after birth. One of the babies, born prematurely after just 25 weeks of gestation, died of an infection at the age of 30 days. Six of the others were developing normally as of the time that case reports about them were written (at ages ranging from 3 to 24 months), though a few of them had suffered from infant respiratory distress syndrome. The condition of the other five babies was unknown.

    Marlise Munoz: Can a fetus survive after mother becomes brain-dead? - latimes.com
    Thanks for that - it's very relevant, in my view, and gives me hope that the hospital in this case isn't simply on a useless power trip but may, in fact, be able to protect and promote a new life. No guarantees in life, except death, but sometimes even the least likely path is worth taking.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    She really isn't on life support, is she? She is dead. This experiment is keeping her organs and the rest of her body from decaying, as would normally happen to a dead person. This experiment is keeping her loved ones from grieving and trying to get on with their lives. This has got to be the most intrusive and invasive a government can get into the lives of it's citizens.

    This medical experiment of using a corpse as an incubator is about as gruesome as it gets. Have they lab tested this with other dead mammals? I am sure the answer to that question is no. Who would fund such a rupugnent experiment? What type of person would even come up with the idea.

    Have we as a society lost all sense of human dignity?
    In my view, the loss of human dignity is perfectly displayed in describing honest attempts to save the life of a developing human being as gruesome and repugnant.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Not necessarily.

    Paramedics have quickly removed babies at accident scenes when a pregnant woman near full term was killed in auto accident.

    Some of those babies survive...others don't.
    I see - not necessarily, but definitely not impossible. I'm guessing, not being a doctor, that if a pregnant woman who has recently passed could be put on life support prior to her child being removed, there would be a greater chance of survival.

    In any event, from your "liking" a comment that describes the hospital's efforts as gruesome and repugnant that if life support were required, even at an advanced stage, that effort at saving a young life would be equally gruesome and repugnant or is there some magic timeline where saving developing life is no longer gruesome and repugnant and perhaps heroic and delightful?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    6. Odd perspective for a parent.
    Are you calling whether I'm actually a parent into question? Fine. We can settle this matter easily. I can post pictures of myself with my kids and you can post pictures of yourself with yours. You down, brother?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I see - not necessarily, but definitely not impossible. I'm guessing, not being a doctor, that if a pregnant woman who has recently passed could be put on life support prior to her child being removed, there would be a greater chance of survival.

    In any event, from your "liking" a comment that describes the hospital's efforts as gruesome and repugnant that if life support were required, even at an advanced stage, that effort at saving a young life would be equally gruesome and repugnant or is there some magic timeline where saving developing life is no longer gruesome and repugnant and perhaps heroic and delightful?
    Forcing a dead woman to be on life support so her body can be used as an incubator for months against her wishes, her husbands wishes and her parents wishes, is what makes this case gruesome and repugnant.

    If her husband wanted her to be on life support to try to give the fetus a chance to continue to develop than no, in that case it would not be gruesome and repugnant.

    If she were my daughter though, I would let her expire in dignity and peace because I know each of my my daughters well and I know both of them would not want to be hooked up to a machine if she were brain dead.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Are you calling whether I'm actually a parent into question? Fine. We can settle this matter easily. I can post pictures of myself with my kids and you can post pictures of yourself with yours. You down, brother?
    Not at all.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Forcing a dead woman to be on life support so her body can be used as an incubator for months against her wishes, her husbands wishes and her parents wishes, is what makes this case gruesome and repugnant.

    If her husband wanted her to be on life support to try to give the fetus a chance to continue to develop than no, in that case it would not be gruesome and repugnant.

    If she were my daughter though, I would let her expire in dignity and peace because I know each of my my daughters well and I know both of them would not want to be hooked up to a machine if she were brain dead.
    I absolutely love that some of the same people who think homosexuality isn't normal even though it's found in thousands of species are sitting here arguing that what is basically consists of turning a persons body into an egg from the Alien movies, without her or her husband's consent and then hoping that a facehugger doesn't come out - is somehow normal.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not at all.
    Carry on then, my brother.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post

    This medical experiment of using a corpse as an incubator is about as gruesome as it gets. Have they lab tested this with other dead mammals? I am sure the answer to that question is no. Who would fund such a rupugnent experiment? What type of person would even come up with the idea.
    you would be wrong. the answer to the question is "yes". There are at least 19 other cases, since 1982. In 12 of those cases the fetus survived until birth and lived for some time afterwards. In the other seven cases, the fetus was terminated via miscarriage.


    In April 2012 a brain dead woman gave birth to twin sons. Today both sons, Nicholas and Alexander Bolden, are still alive and doing well

    In November of last year a brain dead woman gave birth to a child after being on life support for 3 months.
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