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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I am not bigoted, blunt perhaps, I watch how some post, how they distort the law, you keep saying 'kid' as if the fetus is viable.
    You say "the fetus" like a slur, like it means less than human.

    I say "kid" because it's age-neutral, it's not a technical term, so it doesn't mean anything specific. When I say child, even though there is a generic denotation of child that applies, you people fuss. When I'm already accommodating to prevent your whining and fussing, you don't get to whine or fuss about semantics anymore. Sorry. That's how it works.

    I didn't distort anything.

    It is still a fetus and by law can be terminated under many conditions and not be a murder.
    Well under perfectly valid Texas law, abortion is illegal. Under the unconstitutional tyrannical nonsense standard of Roe v. Wade, those laws "violated the Constitution" so Texas has to allow abortions under certain circumstances. This ain't one of them. The dead lady didn't kill her kid. If she had, then that ventilator would be off right now.

    A gunman can't shoot a pregnant lady but the doctors can stop keeping a dead woman's body functioning if the next of kin agrees and the fetus is under the legal limit.
    Nope. The doctors can't stop providing life support for the kid's sake and the next of kin's agreement doesn't mean **** other than to establish that the next of kin doesn't have the kid's best interests at heart. The kid has a right to life.

    If nothing else it is abortion on demand
    Bull****. Starvation and suffocation isn't any kind of abortion method.

    and while Texas is doing it's utmost to strangle that law the doctor who pulls the plug on the dead mother has privileges at the hospital and the woman has a DNR.
    There was no DNR.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    If she were 8 months pregnant ...the doctors could do a c section , then let woman die with dignity.
    Would she have to be on life support while being prepped, waiting, and during the operation?

    If so, wouldn't that be against her supposed wishes? Do supposed wishes have a grace period where they can be ignored and after that enforced?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Brain function from loss of oxygen cannot be detected by an ultrasound.

    Many babies who were deprived oxygen for more than a couple of minutes are born with cerebral paisley .
    Will it be more readily known a few more weeks into development?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Would she have to be on life support while being prepped, waiting, and during the operation?

    If so, wouldn't that be against her supposed wishes? Do supposed wishes have a grace period where they can be ignored and after that enforced?
    Not necessarily.

    Paramedics have quickly removed babies at accident scenes when a pregnant woman near full term was killed in auto accident.

    Some of those babies survive...others don't.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Will it be more readily known a few more weeks into development?
    Doctors can only see physical abnormalities from an ultra sound.

    A few more weeks development will most like not make difference in what they are able to determine at this point.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Will it be more readily known a few more weeks into development?
    Earlier, someone linked to an LA Times article that discusses one 2010 study:

    Researchers from Heidelberg University in Germany scoured the medical literature for cases of pregnant women who were kept on life support after being declared brain-dead. They were able to find details on 19 such cases that were reported from 1982 to 2010.

    Twelve of those fetuses were delivered by caesarean section and survived for some period of time after birth. One of the babies, born prematurely after just 25 weeks of gestation, died of an infection at the age of 30 days. Six of the others were developing normally as of the time that case reports about them were written (at ages ranging from 3 to 24 months), though a few of them had suffered from infant respiratory distress syndrome. The condition of the other five babies was unknown.

    Marlise Munoz: Can a fetus survive after mother becomes brain-dead? - latimes.com

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    While I believe it's wrong to ignore family directives on this sort of thing, I'm really questioning whether the woman would have wanted to be taken off life support if she was pregnant. And I wonder why the husband wants the baby killed when there's a chance to save it.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    While I believe it's wrong to ignore family directives on this sort of thing, I'm really questioning whether the woman would have wanted to be taken off life support if she was pregnant. And I wonder why the husband wants the baby killed when there's a chance to save it.
    She really isn't on life support, is she? She is dead. This experiment is keeping her organs and the rest of her body from decaying, as would normally happen to a dead person. This experiment is keeping her loved ones from grieving and trying to get on with their lives. This has got to be the most intrusive and invasive a government can get into the lives of it's citizens.

    This medical experiment of using a corpse as an incubator is about as gruesome as it gets. Have they lab tested this with other dead mammals? I am sure the answer to that question is no. Who would fund such a rupugnent experiment? What type of person would even come up with the idea.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    There was no DNR.
    Wonder why everyone seems to be having such a problem with this? You can say it a million times, and it still seems to not stick.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Earlier, someone linked to an LA Times article that discusses one 2010 study:

    Researchers from Heidelberg University in Germany scoured the medical literature for cases of pregnant women who were kept on life support after being declared brain-dead. They were able to find details on 19 such cases that were reported from 1982 to 2010.

    Twelve of those fetuses were delivered by caesarean section and survived for some period of time after birth. One of the babies, born prematurely after just 25 weeks of gestation, died of an infection at the age of 30 days. Six of the others were developing normally as of the time that case reports about them were written (at ages ranging from 3 to 24 months), though a few of them had suffered from infant respiratory distress syndrome. The condition of the other five babies was unknown.

    Marlise Munoz: Can a fetus survive after mother becomes brain-dead? - latimes.com
    That study shows that there's a chance, then, for the baby to survive. It's not disposable. 100% chance of survival? Nope. But there's never a 100% chance of survival. A woman can be the picture of health, and have a healthy baby, and a healthy pregnancy throughout, and still either had a stillborn child, or a child that dies of SIDS shortly thereafter. There are no guarantees - EVER. The best we can do is give them every chance of life.

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