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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I believe I said they could NOT. Which number post is it? Or what page? Perhaps I wrote it incorrectly.
    In my post 166, I said that doctors could readily determine if a fetus had physical or mental damage and they would not try to bring to term a fetus that could not survive.

    You said I was mistaken and then later said people seek abortions when they find out their unborn child has physical or mental abnormalities.

    Either doctors can determine it or they can't - make up your mind.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    In my post 166, I said that doctors could readily determine if a fetus had physical or mental damage and they would not try to bring to term a fetus that could not survive.

    You said I was mistaken and then later said people seek abortions when they find out their unborn child has physical or mental abnormalities.

    Either doctors can determine it or they can't - make up your mind.
    Yes, and if you saw my post to Lutherf, I made a distinction.

    People DO seek abortions later when they find out there are abnormalities, *however* such defects that may be caused by O2 deprivation are not necessarily detectable..and maybe not at all. Perhaps much later when normal physical movement is not present or is less. But O2 deprivation injuries occur in the brain....and are not detectable like other things like Down Syndrome which is found by DNA analysis, or other things from examination or chemical/hormonal analysis.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Many women, and couples, choose to abort with the information that their baby will be born severely defective or with little/no chance of surviving. Why do you think we run all those genetic tests, sonograms, etc?
    Because doctors are never wrong, right? My youngest daughter? When I had my first ultrasound, the tech told me that there was a hole in her heart, which could be attributed to Down's Syndrome and a myriad of other issues. Good thing I didn't listen to her. Right now, I have a beautiful, thriving 14 year old who wears pink braces, is taking Honors and AP classes, and is learning to speak French and play the guitar. She gave me incorrect information, which could have had a horrible outcome, had I been the kind of parent who would rather abort, and just wait on the perfect child.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Because doctors are never wrong, right? My youngest daughter? When I had my first ultrasound, the tech told me that there was a hole in her heart, which could be attributed to Down's Syndrome and a myriad of other issues. Good thing I didn't listen to her. Right now, I have a beautiful, thriving 14 year old who wears pink braces, is taking Honors and AP classes, and is learning to speak French and play the guitar. She gave me incorrect information, which could have had a horrible outcome, had I been the kind of parent who would rather abort, and just wait on the perfect child.
    I'm willing to bet, from your comments, that if you had a "do not resuscitate" order or no life support order you wouldn't be thinking that, if pregnant, you'd want to take your developing child down with you. People don't think about all the implications of end of life decisions when they're of child bearing age.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm willing to bet, from your comments, that if you had a "do not resuscitate" order or no life support order you wouldn't be thinking that, if pregnant, you'd want to take your developing child down with you. People don't think about all the implications of end of life decisions when they're of child bearing age.
    Exactly. That's why I mentioned earlier in the thread that, I can't imagine the mother would want the DNR honored if she were pregnant. Most mothers (at least the ones who want the baby) would never, ever do anything to harm the baby. I'd bet money she'd want to remain on life support while the baby developed enough to live outside the womb.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Because doctors are never wrong, right? My youngest daughter? When I had my first ultrasound, the tech told me that there was a hole in her heart, which could be attributed to Down's Syndrome and a myriad of other issues. Good thing I didn't listen to her. Right now, I have a beautiful, thriving 14 year old who wears pink braces, is taking Honors and AP classes, and is learning to speak French and play the guitar. She gave me incorrect information, which could have had a horrible outcome, had I been the kind of parent who would rather abort, and just wait on the perfect child.
    How wonderful! And just as wonderful...you had the CHOICE to look at your family, your lives, your circumstances, and make the best decision for your family.

    I think it's nice to respect other families and their choices and circumstances as well.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Because doctors are never wrong, right? My youngest daughter? When I had my first ultrasound, the tech told me that there was a hole in her heart, which could be attributed to Down's Syndrome and a myriad of other issues. Good thing I didn't listen to her. Right now, I have a beautiful, thriving 14 year old who wears pink braces, is taking Honors and AP classes, and is learning to speak French and play the guitar. She gave me incorrect information, which could have had a horrible outcome, had I been the kind of parent who would rather abort, and just wait on the perfect child.
    A simple "like" is not quite adequate.

    As someone who could have been killed needlessly based on overblown reports of risk, you get massive respec knuckles from me (as does my mom).

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How wonderful! And just as wonderful...you had the CHOICE to look at your family, your lives, your circumstances, and make the best decision for your family.

    I think it's nice to respect other families and their choices and circumstances as well.
    correct it is a wonderful story and you are correct also especially the bolded parts

    basic common sense like this is sometimes clouded by the blindness of emotion

    good job being logical and rational
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    I think the issue is that she didn't want life support, but the hospital put her on life support anyway. Letting a family member died naturally is a little different than turning off the life support system.

    My understanding is that she's not even 4 months pregnant, so she's going to be on this life support system for a really long time.

    And I think the husband should sue if the hospital actually expects him to pay the bill.


    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Not unheard of... certainly doesn't happen very often... not insane.

    The mom's dead, the kid isn't. You can't save the mom. You have no reason whatsoever to kill the kid. Makes sense.

    Hospital is only "refusing" to break the law.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    He doesn't want to kill his child. He wanted to honor his wife's wish everything using white support, but the hospital put her on life support anyway. For that he is suing. If the child is unhealthy, he should sue for that too.


    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The uncertainty of the child's health is the reason the Dad and mother are wanting to kill it. They don't want the responsibility of caring for the child if it isn't normal.

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