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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    However, given that her directive stated no life support, I think the law is wrong.
    Unless of course she knew about the law.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Unless of course she knew about the law.
    As I said, I think the law is wrong. Does the law allow for her to state it directly?


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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Do you have any punishments in mind for us that choose not to procreate? I mean...this woman is defenseless now and looks to her legal statement and family to uphold her wishes. She is vulnerable to the type of disrespectful attack on her that you are proposing.

    The rest of us tho...we will continue to fight for our rights and what is left of hers.
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    So infertile people should be euthanized since there's no "function" to their existence?
    Where the hell do you get euthanasia or "punishment" from what I said? All I'm talking about is making decisions based on what is most likely to continue the species. If you're not actively participating in propagating the species that's your business but when you have a choice in a case like what we are discussing then it only makes sense to choose the path that best serves the species.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    As I said, I think the law is wrong. Does the law allow for her to state it directly?
    She may have thought it was right. Doubtful.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    No, but that is a different set of circumstances. In this one, just as in the abortion issue, the mother's wishes should be the first considered. As much as I understand the anti-abortion side of this issue, the mother did not want life support in the case of her death.
    I appreciate that but abortion is not an issue here - for all we know at this point, the woman was pro-life - she was, after all, carrying a child at the time of her demise. As another stated, how does one know that she'd feel the same about life support if she had known she'd have been pregnant at the time of application. Do people who have end of life provisions really think about the possibility they'd be pregnant at the time?

    As I said before, I don't know a single woman who wouldn't do all she could to save the life of her child. I have no reason to believe she would want to do otherwise.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    well im playing catch up and im going to state what i think the facts are please correct me if wrong

    woman is brain dead
    woman is 20 weeks pregnant (incident happened at 14 weeks)
    woman had order to not be on life support
    woman is married making her husband legally and medically in control
    Texas law prohibits it from following a family/will directive when a pregnancy is involved.
    Father also wants to abort because of possible damage to the Fetus

    as i could tell, seems those are the facts, please correct me if im wrong


    if the above is true the Texas state law violates rights in my simply opinion because it disregards the woman's rights and RvW and puts an extra restriction that is above and beyond RvW.

    the womans will/order/wishes should be done AND since the father is alive and married so should his

    Now since the unconstitutional law exists it does have to be challenged so thats that. there has to be a court case.

    What should happen to this law is what has happened to many other laws, since it goes against RvW it should be removed and struck down, since it wills/individual rights it should also be struck down.

    Keeping a woman alive 10 weeks or longer against her wishes, husbands wishes and family wishes is horrible and then during medical procedures on her body afterwords is also horrible.

    Having said all that, again though, the law is on the books and currently the hospital is within their legal right. Im glad this is going to court and the law should be struck down.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by rjay View Post
    If we are abdicating for human incubators then maybe we should have women sign body donation cards. This would indicate their desires to have their deceased bodies used as incubators in the event of untimely deaths. We can inject from test-tubes into these incubators. That way the eventual parents can go about their lives and pop by the hospital to pick their baby up when the time comes. None of this morning sickness, extended belly, or stretch mark nonsense.


    How gruesome do we want to get?
    That's just beyond asinine.

    You make it sound like she wasn't pregnant of her own free will and carrying the child when she met her demise. I'm not a woman, but I have a far cry more respect for mothers, motherhood, and the extent to which mothers will protect the health and lives of their children than you seem to have.
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So infertile people should be euthanized since there's no "function" to their existence?
    Weren't you just requesting a few posts ago that people keep their eye on the topic and not bring in irrelevant nonsense?
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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Where the hell do you get euthanasia or "punishment" from what I said? All I'm talking about is making decisions based on what is most likely to continue the species. If you're not actively participating in propagating the species that's your business but when you have a choice in a case like what we are discussing then it only makes sense to choose the path that best serves the species.
    Our species is not remotely in danger of continuing and if it is, it is not connected to abortion. Way more women choose to give birth than abort. So why not respect the wishes of the family? THEY are the ones directly affected by having to raise a child with no mother and very possibly severely disabled (with a higher chance of never reproducing itself)...and the species will not be affected at all.

    What kind of perspective are you using here? Goodness! You put their feelings & lives last?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You are mistaken.
    So, explain to me how women who seek abortions before 24 weeks but object to that limit being reduced to 20 claim that between the 20 and 24 week period many physical and mental fetal abnormalities become evident? Are they lying?
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