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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The legal document states her wishes.
    Was she not aware of the Texas law?

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    There's nothing natural, or human nature, to let any human simply die without doing what's possible to save him/her. Even in veterinary medicine, attempts are made to save the unborn when the carrying mother dies or is fatally injured.

    If this woman had been 8 months pregnant, would you say she and her unborn child should both be left to die?
    If we are abdicating for human incubators then maybe we should have women sign body donation cards. This would indicate their desires to have their deceased bodies used as incubators in the event of untimely deaths. We can inject from test-tubes into these incubators. That way the eventual parents can go about their lives and pop by the hospital to pick their baby up when the time comes. None of this morning sickness, extended belly, or stretch mark nonsense.


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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Why is this so hard to understand?

    The primary function of our [all] species is to procreate. We develop all kinds of ways to facilitate that primary function and to keep our offspring alive and healthy so it doesn't make a lick of sense to unhook the woman as long as leaving her hooked up has a reasonable possibility of producing a healthy baby.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    He would dodge.
    That sounds familiar....


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That sounds familiar
    Everyone in this thread who keep dodging if she wanted to be removed from life support while pregnant.

    And this isn't even the legal problems the woman has regarding the directive.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    There are two patients, one is savable, the other is already gone.

    Between the two of them, the savable one is the one without documentation saying he or she wants to die in this situation.

    Triage.
    I'm not aware of any example of triage in action that tramples over the expressed wishes of one of the affected in how their body is treated in death.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I respect advance directives and patient autonomy...

    It's just I can't see any validity in applying it when there are two patients and one has no such documentation. Are we simply to assume the kid wants to die, despite our ability to save him or her?
    LMAO at the expectation...and even more that LAW and action should be based on it...that a fetus would have a legal document stating its wishes.

    Again....you reduce the topics at hand to comedic levels....when there really is no humor.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    There are two patients, one is savable, the other is already gone.

    Between the two of them, the savable one is the one without documentation saying he or she wants to die in this situation.

    Triage.
    But, you have to completely ignore one person's rights in order to do so.

    Say you have two patients, one brain dead with healthy kidneys, and the other saveable with a new kidney. If patient one is not an organ donor, you can't take his kidney even to save the other. It's about consent, even if you assume that they might want to be a donor in that situation. You are assuming that she would want to be kept alive until the baby is born, but you have a legally binding piece of paper in your hand that says "no life support." She didn't consent to this, and you're happy to assume that she would.


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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Why is this so hard to understand?

    The primary function of our [all] species is to procreate. We develop all kinds of ways to facilitate that primary function and to keep our offspring alive and healthy so it doesn't make a lick of sense to unhook the woman as long as leaving her hooked up has a reasonable possibility of producing a healthy baby.
    Do you have any punishments in mind for us that choose not to procreate? I mean...this woman is defenseless now and looks to her legal statement and family to uphold her wishes. She is vulnerable to the type of disrespectful attack on her that you are proposing.

    The rest of us tho...we will continue to fight for our rights and what is left of hers.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Texas Hospital keeping pregnant dead lady on life support

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Everyone in this thread who keep dodging if she wanted to be removed from life support while pregnant.

    And this isn't even the legal problems the woman has regarding the directive.
    Or those assuming that she would want it. Unless she consented to it, I can't assume that she would.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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