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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    1) They need to not release his name. EVER!

    2) This kid will have a history, and he likely (65% chance) will have revealed this motive online somewhere.

    This stuff keeps happening. Why? We don't know. This tragedy, like many others, demonstrates a supreme lack of awareness in our society. A lack of psychological warning signs. This has nothing to do with guns. I'm sure the media will misrepresent facts and such as usual. Reporting what is best for their ratings, but maybe we can as rational adults realize that the problem lies at home. In our parenting.

    I have been in schools. And I am sitting behind the curve trying to help a school write a policy to deal with this stuff. It is a nightmare and now every school is in fear of if. And the problem is that the school is one of the greatest resource in stopping it. Pay attention to the kids. Their needs.This isn't a quick fix. Our culture is causing this. A supreme disconnect. And it is sad.
    You are so right. A kid just doesn't go off the deep end overnight. It will build up and there will be cries for help, just pay attention. If a student at school is bothering another student so constantly to the point they snap, how does that go undetected?
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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Stonewall......I doubt he will be tried as an adult. I think here it was clear he went after who were the one who was bullying him. As he shot that kid in the face twice. I am surprised he lived with 2 shots to the head from a shotgun.
    We shouldn't try him as an adult. He is 11. But we do need to learn from him.
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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    You are so right. A kid just doesn't go off the deep end overnight. It will build up and there will be cries for help, just pay attention. If a student at school is bothering another student so constantly to the point they snap, how does that go undetected?
    Mornin' AW. Exactly.....Ttwtt brought up before about why doesn't the schools and staff have signs up about No Bullying. No Disrupting class.

    It's okay to make laws and put up gun signs. Yet they don't want to put up signs that point out much of the problems for young people and kids.

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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' AW. Exactly.....Ttwtt brought up before about why doesn't the schools and staff have signs up about No Bullying. No Disrupting class.

    It's okay to make laws and put up gun signs. Yet they don't want to put up signs that point out much of the problems for young people and kids.
    Morning MMC.

    From what I understand, there has been quite an increase in bringing an anti-bullying message to schools. Of course, I don't know about the particular school where this happened.

    In my opinion, the greater problem is with the social media and other means in which a person can be bullied. Back in the day, a bully had to actually get in anothers face, hoping to get others to join in.

    Sadly today, it seems kids are so removed from reality they think tweets, or facebook posts, have depth and real consequence, and getting a bunch of anonymous people to join in bullying seems rather simple.

    Throw in violent video games, and the mixture appears to be quite volitile.

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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Morning MMC.

    From what I understand, there has been quite an increase in bringing an anti-bullying message to schools. Of course, I don't know about the particular school where this happened.

    In my opinion, the greater problem is with the social media and other means in which a person can be bullied. Back in the day, a bully had to actually get in anothers face, hoping to get others to join in.

    Sadly today, it seems kids are so removed from reality they think tweets, or facebook posts, have depth and real consequence, and getting a bunch of anonymous people to join in bullying seems rather simple.

    Throw in violent video games, and the mixture appears to be quite volitile.

    Mornin' Ocean. My OL's school does. Each and every teacher does in their classrooms too. They aren't like CPS schools though. Many of those schools have Chicago Cops or Metal detectors that all have to go thru entering the building.

    It can help with the kids in school and of course we are only talking about this instance of the issue. As we have adults entering schools and or their grounds. Which doesn't explain them.

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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Say what.....I am not saying anything about the news reporting it, other than them Immortalizing each one and their influence upon the next shooter.

    Looks like you blew a gasket when you seen that I said.....that Team Obama and the Anti-gun Nuts will make use of this tragedy. Perhaps when talking about reality.....you should stick with what is already recorded down in their history.

    Also remember this part well Wiseone.....I don't whine. As I wasn't cut from, the Lamb lies down mold.....you are use to.
    Look dude, having the news NOT report it is not going to prevent people from knowing about it, this cool new thing called the internet and social media (you may have heard it) ensures that information flows regardless of who wants it to. Secondly, it doesn't matter if you shoot up a school, a mall, a church, whatever, if you go on a shooting spree you WILL be noticed by people and by the country. Complaining about how news reports just show that shooting up a school is a way to instant fame is ****ing stupid, it doesn't matter where you go on a shooting spree it will be noticed by your body count.

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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Look dude, having the news NOT report it is not going to prevent people from knowing about it, this cool new thing called the internet and social media (you may have heard it) ensures that information flows regardless of who wants it to. Secondly, it doesn't matter if you shoot up a school, a mall, a church, whatever, if you go on a shooting spree you WILL be noticed by people and by the country. Complaining about how news reports just show that shooting up a school is a way to instant fame is ****ing stupid, it doesn't matter where you go on a shooting spree it will be noticed by your body count.
    Again Wiseone.....I am not talking about the new media not reporting it.....I was talking about due to their coverage they influence the next shooter. Course then about Team Obama and those with their Gun control legislation. In that order.

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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Again Wiseone.....I am not talking about the new media not reporting it.....I was talking about due to their coverage they influence the next shooter. Course then about Team Obama and those with their Gun control legislation. In that order.
    Again dude, it doesn't matter if the media covers it or not PEOPLE WILL KNOW ABOUT IT through the internet and social media.

    You want the press to censor itself because it doesn't play into your politics? Do bad, this is reality and if you don't like it then go hide under your covers but when you come out be prepared to not be so spineless that you can't deal with the world.

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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya Stonewall......I doubt he will be tried as an adult. I think here it was clear he went after who were the one who was bullying him. As he shot that kid in the face twice. I am surprised he lived with 2 shots to the head from a shotgun.
    Indeed, that is very poor gun control.

    Probably caused by sawing it off and failure to account for the resulting very wide pattern and very short effective range.
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    Re: Boy, 12, opens fire at New Mexico school, wounds two students......

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    In my opinion, the greater problem is with the social media and other means in which a person can be bullied. Back in the day, a bully had to actually get in anothers face, hoping to get others to join in.

    Sadly today, it seems kids are so removed from reality they think tweets, or facebook posts, have depth and real consequence, and getting a bunch of anonymous people to join in bullying seems rather simple.

    Throw in violent video games, and the mixture appears to be quite volitile.

    And yet again, that's where the parent(s) need to step in at home - and ** parent. But it's so much easier to give them free reign on their laptop/tablet then to monitor them because the parent wants their time to be on their laptop/tablet. It's so annoying, even when I take my daughter to swimming lessons, more than 85% of the parents are on their phones instead of watching and encouraging their kid. And these are 4-5 year olds - pay attention to your child!
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