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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The "Equal Protection Clause" justifies just about anything social that congress would like to legislate.

    The Fourteenth obviously has its merits but I would like to see it repealed given the notion that it creates requisite for just about anything our congress would like to pass as a social issue.

    Maybe in some circles its a fabulous clause and Amendment but in others its a financial burden, which should should be highly debated by intelligent people/representatives that can understand the pro's and cons of the issue(s)..
    Look, it's a so-called American who doesn't believe in equal protection under the law. I didn't think those still existed.

    Is there some "financial burden" you perceive arising from same-sex marriage?
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    My position is that the Constitution, as written, does not force states to recognize SSM or change their definitions. As it is now it should be fully Constitutional to uphold traditional marriage. I support SSM, but not by judicial tyranny driven by social changes and public opinion.
    The Constitution as written doesn't have the marriage license in it. That was made by bigots afraid of interracial marriage. It's being used in it's original context today by trying to deny other's the ability to marry cause some people think it's icky. If there was no marriage license, there would be no issue. So take it up with that, and move to remove it. Otherwise, it remains government recognized and issued contract, and the individual has right to contract.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    How the hell does gay marriage turn you into a second class citizen?
    The act of taking away state's rights to set policy and removing the ability of citizens to vote on an issue that should be perfectly acceptable for them to vote on and have their beliefs put into law restricts them to second class citizens and overlooks their right to vote and their state's right to make policy for the state.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Equal protection means protecting the rights of voter's and respecting state laws and autonomy on marriage policy.
    No it doesn't. It means the opposite. It means protecting the individual from the tyranny of the majority or of the state.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The act of taking away state's rights to set policy and removing the ability of citizens to vote on an issue that should be perfectly acceptable for them to vote on and have their beliefs put into law restricts them to second class citizens and overlooks their right to vote and their state's right to make policy for the state.
    You don't have the right to vote away someone else's rights. You've never had that right, and you never will.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The act of taking away state's rights to set policy and removing the ability of citizens to vote on an issue that should be perfectly acceptable for them to vote on and have their beliefs put into law restricts them to second class citizens and overlooks their right to vote and their state's right to make policy for the state.
    The will of the majority is secondary to the rights of the minority. It's always been that way.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Simply pointing out that according to your stated concern about two same sex individuals using marriage fraudulently, seems to me plenty of heterosexual couples are doing the same in that they don't live in the same house, they don't have sex with each other, they don't behave in any matrimonial way but still claim the legal benefits of marriage, intentionally and mainly to retain those benefits. Are you outraged about those folks defrauding the benefits of marriage as you claim concern about it happening if SSM is legal?
    I've said 1000 times I think our government should stay out of marriage....

    I don't care who screws who.... I shouldn't be our governments concern, yet our government makes it their concern so naturally using my brain I will attempt to throw the best solution I can concoct out there for public debate.

    Make sense?

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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No it doesn't. It means the opposite. It means protecting the individual from the tyranny of the majority or of the state.
    Those poor polygamists Living under tyranny because states won't regocnize multiple partner marriages. Heck, some of them may even say it not only infringes on their rights as loving, committed people but also their religious freedom because their religion may encourage polygamy or allow it with the state not accommodating that.

    Seriously, it isn't tyranny for the state to uphold traditional marriage. What it is is an outcome that some people dislike. The tyranny is taking away the freedom to make those laws and imposing unjust rulings based on social opinion and changes in societal values and not on the letter of the law or new amendments. For years traditional marriage has been law in many states, only until recently fueled by social outcry and politics have we seen a change. Let Oklahoma be Oklahoma with their marriage policies and definitions and let Massachusetts be Massachusetts with the citizens of those states voting and law makers creating and directing policy.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I've said 1000 times I think our government should stay out of marriage....

    I don't care who screws who.... I shouldn't be our governments concern, yet our government makes it their concern so naturally using my brain I will attempt to throw the best solution I can concoct out there for public debate.

    Make sense?
    No not really, but little of what you type is cohesive over the long haul.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I've said 1000 times I think our government should stay out of marriage....
    Before it became obvious same-sex marriage was coming, you said this zero times I'm guessing.

    I don't care who screws who.... I shouldn't be our governments concern, yet our government makes it their concern so naturally using my brain I will attempt to throw the best solution I can concoct out there for public debate.

    Make sense?
    If you don't care who screws who, why do you care who marries who?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Look, it's a so-called American who doesn't believe in equal protection under the law. I didn't think those still existed.

    Is there some "financial burden" you perceive arising from same-sex marriage?
    Contract IS NOT BIASED (unless you're getting divorced)..

    The United States DOES NOT and states DO NOT recognize marriage...

    They recognize what you would understand as a compound contract...

    The Church recognizes marriages, Christians recognize marriages as do the majority of religions - it's a religious even and celebration but NOT A STATE SPONSORED CELEBRATION...

    That is the epic flaw in the homosexual psyche...

    States and the Federal Government understand contracts NOT marriage.

    I'm sorry if this is too hard for someone to understand.

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