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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Nope. Not even remotely close.
    Then what are you stating?


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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I suppose many view gay marriage as an act of acceptance rather than a contract....

    I think that's where people get confused with my position on the issue.
    Then whats your argument then?


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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I suppose many view gay marriage as an act of acceptance rather than a contract....

    I think that's where people get confused with my position on the issue.
    Do you accept same-sex marriage now? Because two dudes can get married now in several states.

    It seems to me that you're indicating that not only do you refuse to accept same-sex marriage, you want to ensure that nobody else accepts it.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No it's not. Your position is that people should be allowed to vote in laws that are unconstitutional.
    My position is that the Constitution, as written, does not force states to recognize SSM or change their definitions. As it is now it should be fully Constitutional to uphold traditional marriage. I support SSM, but not by judicial tyranny driven by social changes and public opinion.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    My position is that the Constitution, as written, does not force states to recognize SSM or change their definitions. As it is now it should be fully Constitutional to uphold traditional marriage. I support SSM, but not by judicial tyranny driven by social changes and public opinion.
    Equal protection under the law is not judicial tyranny it doesn't matter what you or the public thinks.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Are you trying to imply without any proof that gay couples would be more atonement.
    Simply pointing out that according to your stated concern about two same sex individuals using marriage fraudulently, seems to me plenty of heterosexual couples are doing the same in that they don't live in the same house, they don't have sex with each other, they don't behave in any matrimonial way but still claim the legal benefits of marriage, intentionally and mainly to retain those benefits. Are you outraged about those folks defrauding the benefits of marriage as you claim concern about it happening if SSM is legal?
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    1.)So according to you then the majority of the population are bigots who discriminate.
    2.) So having a referendum now days is meaningless, if some progressive fascist smuck disagrees they shop it to a idealogical judge who will rule on socialist progessive idealogy & not the constitution.
    3.) Welcome to a top down Authoritarian state as long as it go's your way who cares about the will of the majority huh?
    4.) The only bigots that I see in this issue are the ones who call others bigots for having a differing opinion.
    1.) two things he didnt even come close to saying that and the majority or americans support equal rights but thats just a bonus since it doesnt matter
    2.) it if violates individual rights and equal rights yes its crap, basic rights 101
    3.) nope protecting rights is the exact opposite
    4.) good thing that didnt happen
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And there's the problem. Gays are so caught up with getting what they want that they don't care about respecting the Constitution. So long as they get their agenda item, **** the country.

    I support SSM, but the way to accomplish it is with the introduction of the 28th Amendment defining marriage. Then the 14th Amendment applies and all states will have to comply.
    The "Equal Protection Clause" justifies just about anything social that congress would like to legislate.

    The Fourteenth obviously has its merits but I would like to see it repealed given the notion that it creates requisite for just about anything our congress would like to pass as a social issue.

    Maybe in some circles its a fabulous clause and Amendment but in others its a financial burden, which should should be highly debated by intelligent people/representatives that can understand the pro's and cons of the issue(s) both socially, ethically and economically..

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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Hopefully such an intrusion of rights will be repealed and reversed. Turning voters that have issues with changing the definition of marriage into second class citizens in lieu of social changes and progressives/liberals wanting to declare perversion as a protected right worthy enough to completely redefine the English language is not something that should happen. When in doubt, when politics don't go your way just file with the courts and hope some activist judges will give your opinion on a political/social issue legal protection everyone does it.

    If this insanity is upheld I sincerely hope that there is a revolt and maybe even a split of the union. For far too long the rights of people have been eroded by this progressive philosophy of anit-religion and anti-voter's rights/sate's when issues are not popular among secular liberals/progressives. Such a sweeping change of hundreds of years of marital practice should not happen due to perversion becoming more socially acceptable, especially not without a Constitutional Amendment that removes the rights of states to define marriage.
    How the hell does gay marriage turn you into a second class citizen?
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Equal protection under the law is not judicial tyranny it doesn't matter what you or the public thinks.
    Equal protection means protecting the rights of voter's and respecting state laws and autonomy on marriage policy. Losing a political battle in a state and trying to work around it in the courts with courts reacting on social opinion and personal values is tyranny. The judge in this case waited 9 years before making this ruling and quoted the current case in Utah as precedence (one that has stay and is being appealed).
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