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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Do people not realize that state issued marriage licenses are legal contracts?

    Yeah, that is why a woman can sue a man and take all his **** in a divorce!!!!

    This has nothing to do with recognizing marriage!!!!
    Yes, but in marriage contracts, there is gender discrimination.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It depends, I cant give you a 101 on **** **** (I'm criminal law but know litigation and what I call **** **** "marriage ****")

    Maybe I'm just too blunt..... sorry.

    BTW, I don't advocate any divorces or want my legal ideas to be used is such a manner..... (also they generally apply in Illinois).

    I'm merely just pointing out that marriage is a legal contract and is NOT some sort of state recognition...

    So there was no bias there to begin with - gays can sign legal contracts too, they're not "legally married" but the benefits that a married couple would have exist to both."
    another factually wrong post, its almost as if you think honest and educated posters are fooled by them and believe them
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I edited that, was a tad too harsh.

    And yes, maybe not a war but at least rebellion and a split of the union. In America the Constitution has been used to legalize and protect abortion, and now they are wanting to try and use it to protect perverted definitions of marriage coupled with moronic rulings and lawsuits against "religion" on government property and whatnot. I would hope that this is the last straw that breaks the camel's back if it is upheld. I for one do not want to live in a nation that restricts my freedoms to vote on social issues, legalizes things with Constitution protection that I consider to be the biggest ethical evil of our time (abortion) and backs the secular while restricting the rights of expression of the religious. Tyranny due to social change is wrong, especially without new Amendments to the Constitution. I know many may think my opinions or beliefs on the issue are extreme or harsh, but they are. As a citizen I'm sick of such things happening and it worries me to see that the Constitution of this country wants to protect such evils, it's inhumane and should not be tolerated by people of like mind up to the point of rebellion and separation from the union.


    Incorrect. Saying to an entire voting block and class of people that their legally held beliefs and laws can no longer be on the books because they "violate the Constitution" and forcing those laws, that have been held for many years and wanting to be changed due to changes in public opinion, is wrong. Telling people that they have no right to make or enforce marriage laws like upholding traditional marriage does turn a voting class of people into second class citizens and restricts their freedoms.

    And don't try to correlate this with women's rights or minority rights, totally separate issues.
    You are on the wrong side of history, the public and what is right.

    You want to split the nation? Go form your own damned country. We are doing just fine in these 50 states.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Go ahead and challenge contract then.

    The best you will come up with is spoiling heterosexual marriage contracts and that will just piss off the strong majority of the heterosexual marriage contracts and make them hate gays even more....

    Gay's aren't even in a position to negotiate beyond what these fool politicians imply.

    Do you honestly believe the legislature is going to push this issue as a contract issue (like the did Obamacare) and piss millions of people off just so gays can get married and create an entire new way for fools to rip the government off?

    No, that is why you need to present it as "inequality" as a social issue rather than a financial issue that could be exploited without any audits....

    I see the flaws that are ripe, not only that but the slippery slopes.
    Inequality regarding gender is the reason this is a contract issue.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Prop 8 was failing badly in California until the Mormons poured millions of dollars into an unprecedented propaganda campaign that was full of ugly lies that fooled the voters. Polls taken afterward have consistently shown that Californians regret that vote and favor gay marriage now by about 70%....this is consistent with the exponential change in favor of marriage equality nationwide.
    So the Mormans convinced the black community to majority vote against it? Nice try, also polls can be skewed and regularly are by the statist run propaganda machine called the media. If you were to have another vote today, if people wernt being bullied & villified by the gay mafia, I'd bet it would lose again.

    Show you where the Constitution gives this right? Are you familiar with the equal protection clause? Ever heard of it?
    Ya gotta like how the left twists what the constitution really means. If they are not ignoring it outright

    I think you need to stop listening to the right-wing radio propogandists. It is obvious from reading your post here that they have you by the hook and are just reeling you in. Pick up a newspaper, read a little and don't rely on what the blowhards are paid to tell you.
    I'm not the one thats seeing things from a narrow perspective here. I didnt grow up in a 1 party state where the educational system was dominated by far left wing thought. Where having a difference of opinion can get you called all kinds of names villified as a hater and in places like Hollywood and academia you will not be given a job cause you dont tow the leftist line. I'm sure you are a nice enough guy but I think you may want to consider the possibility that its you the one that is being lied to and propagandized. Some of us see it so clearly and some of us are oblivious to what this corrupt progressive authoritarian goverment is lying about.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The courts are probably one of the more powerful and ****ed up systems in our brand of democracy....... The courts overrule direct democracy and insert their own powertower...

    300 million US citizens don't need 50-100 district judges overruling direct democracy, while they waste taxpayer money after and appeal has been made - that's hard earned money down to toilet after the voice of the people have spoken and a minority didn't agree with the conclusion..... Imagine if our presidential elections were this ****ed up every year.

    Makes no sense to me....

    Especially if progressives believe Gore won in 2004.
    You obviously do not understand the purpose of a Constitution.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    So the Mormans convinced the black community to majority vote against it? Nice try, also polls can be skewed and regularly are by the statist run propaganda machine called the media. If you were to have another vote today, if people wernt being bullied & villified by the gay mafia, I'd bet it would lose again.

    Ya gotta like how the left twists what the constitution really means. If they are not ignoring it outright

    I'm not the one thats seeing things from a narrow perspective here. I didnt grow up in a 1 party state where the educational system was dominated by far left wing thought. Where having a difference of opinion can get you called all kinds of names villified as a hater and in places like Hollywood and academia you will not be given a job cause you dont tow the leftist line. I'm sure you are a nice enough guy but I think you may want to consider the possibility that its you the one that is being lied to and propagandized. Some of us see it so clearly and some of us are oblivious to what this corrupt progressive authoritarian goverment is lying about.
    I didn't grow up in California. I grew up in an ultra red-wing state...so that blows your theory there to shreds...and you obviously don't see clearly...because your talking points are right out of the playbook of the right-wing radio blowhards.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Not giving a **** about the rule of law and pretending imaginary rights are in plain English documents = "the good guys?"

    Uh-huh. Suuuuure.

    While contracts should be freely made between consenting adults, this is a matter for the legislature. The courts pretending the Constitution says anything about this whatsoever is obscene and absurd. It's an act of boldface lying to the public.

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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Not giving a **** about the rule of law and pretending imaginary rights are in plain English documents = "the good guys?"

    Uh-huh. Suuuuure.

    While contracts should be freely made between consenting adults, this is a matter for the legislature. The courts pretending the Constitution says anything about this whatsoever is obscene and absurd. It's an act of boldface lying to the public.
    Equal protection under the law applies to the states. Gender is one of several protected classifications. In order to uphold a gender-based classification, a state must show an important state interest in making that classification, and show that their measure is substantially related to that interest. Defining marriage as between one man and one woman is a gender-based classification that limits my freedom to choose with whom I enter a particular legal contract.

    It is a matter for the courts to overturn an unconstitutional law. Under equal protection, the burden is on the state to justify its discrimination.

    Provide that state interest.

    You want to talk about rule of law? You're the one defending an unconstitutional law under some guise of states' rights.
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    Re: US judge strikes down Okla. same-sex marriage ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You want to talk about rule of law? You're the one defending an unconstitutional law under some guise of states' rights.
    Yes, I would like to talk about how you can pretend the Constitution says anything about gay marriage, as written, as ratified, or even as amended.

    The hallucinations of others is not much justification when talking about the written word and the rule of law. Why should I care about "state interest" when there is nothing in the text about any such thing?

    You want to pretend that in 1868 when the 14th Amendment was written - written as it was, chiefly in regard to the practices of slavery like its peers the 13th and 15th - it was intended and in fact did apply to gay marriage, that gay marriage has been an official constitutional right since 1868, despite not being explicitly stated as such.

    Okay. Show me some indication of the authors of the 14th amendment protesting the absence of legal gay marriage since apparently every state was "violating the Constitution" ever since 1868, as you are claiming. Honestly, this is like pretending executions are "cruel and unusual" by Constitutional standards despite them being a common punishment in 1791, when the 8th Amendment was ratified... It doesn't logically add up.


    I mean, again, sure, I don't think anyone should be forbidden from making such a contract with whomever they like, regardless of their gender, but to pretend the text says something it doesn't and then to force such hallucinations on others remains tyrannical absurdity.
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