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Iran's Rouhani casts nuke deal as win for nation

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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — President Hassan Rouhani has praised a landmark nuclear deal struck in Geneva as his country's victory, telling a home crowd it effectively means the "surrender" of Western powers to Iranian demands.

Iran's Rouhani casts nuke deal as win for nation | UTSanDiego.com

Well, Iran touting their victory...Meanwhile we say don't bother us with that, we are more concerned with a backup on the GW bridge, and Jackie Bisset saying **** on air....:doh

Iranian president Hassan Rouhani is taking to Twitter to gloat about the nuclear deal his country struck with the U.S. and other Western countries.

"Our relationship w/ the world is based on Iranian nation's interests. In #Geneva agreement world powers surrendered to Iranian nation's will," Rouhani tweeted about an hour ago.

Iran's Rouhani: 'World Powers Surrendered to Iranian Nation's Will' | The Weekly Standard

Wow....What an enlightened leader we have in Obama right? Really Got them Iranians on the run don't we?
 
I thought we had al Qaeda on the run. I hear they're back in Fallujah.
 
Well, Iran touting their victory...Meanwhile we say don't bother us with that, we are more concerned with a backup on the GW bridge, and Jackie Bisset saying **** on air....:doh



Wow....What an enlightened leader we have in Obama right? Really Got them Iranians on the run don't we?

So, what you're saying is that when the Iranian president is giving propaganda speeches to his people, you take him at his word. That's.... an interesting choice.
 
So, what you're saying is that when the Iranian president is giving propaganda speeches to his people, you take him at his word. That's.... an interesting choice.

No, I distrust our own liar in chief so, that it makes what Rouhani is saying plausable.
 
Well, Iran touting their victory...Meanwhile we say don't bother us with that, we are more concerned with a backup on the GW bridge, and Jackie Bisset saying **** on air....:doh



Wow....What an enlightened leader we have in Obama right? Really Got them Iranians on the run don't we?

What did you expect to happen? For Rouhani to announce to his own people that the infidel Americans had gotten the better of Iran?
 
What did you expect to happen? For Rouhani to announce to his own people that the infidel Americans had gotten the better of Iran?

Why would he say that? That would be a lie....
 
Why would he say that? That would be a lie....

Or maybe that scenario would never happen regardless of who was President.
 
In any case, Rouhani's announcement was just to ameliorate Iran's own hard liners, who appear to believe they got the raw end of the deal. I'm going to see if I can find the terms of the deal...
 
Here's what I found...

Main points
* Iran has agreed it will not enrich uranium over five per cent for the six months.

* Iran has committed to neutralising its entire stockpile of uranium enriched to 20 per cent, which is close to weapons-grade and therefore a main area of concern.

Half of this will be diluted to five per cent or under. The rest will be oxidised so it can contribute to making fuel for a Tehran reactor that produces medical isotopes.

* Iran will build no new locations for enrichment, and halt progress towards commissioning a reactor at its Arak plant that would produce plutonium that could also be used in a nuclear bomb.

* Iran will not reprocess or construct a facility capable of reprocessing spent fuel from the Arak reactor in order to extract plutonium.

* Iran will allow daily site inspections by experts from the UN nuclear watchdog IAEA at two of its enrichment facilities — Fordo and Natanz — and hand over information about the design of its Arak reactor.

* The P5+1 powers and Iran will establish a “joint commission” to work with the International Atomic Energy Agency and monitor implementation of the agreement.

* In return, the P5+1 will ease sanctions in what the White House has described as a “limited, temporary, targeted, and reversible” manner to the tune of about $US7 billion, but the “vast bulk” of oil, finance and banking sanctions will remain in place.

* The UN Security Council and European Union will not impose any new nuclear-related sanctions for six months.

* They will suspend US and EU sanctions on Iran’s petrochemical exports and associated services such as insurance or transportation, and on gold and precious metals and associated services.

They will also suspend US trade restrictions on Iran’s auto industry and associated services and licence the supply and installation in Iran of spare parts for flight safety.

* An agreed amount of revenue from sanctioned Iranian oil sales held abroad will be repatriated.

Here Are The Main Points Of The Iran Nuclear Deal | Business Insider

Anyone see any problems with this? This same story came out a couple months ago and there were loopholes that allowed a certain amount of the stockpile with 20% or over enrichment, and unless I'm reading this wrong that loophole doesn't exist here.
 
No, I distrust our own liar in chief so, that it makes what Rouhani is saying plausable.
I don't trust you, therefore what Obama says is true.
 
Iran's Rouhani casts nuke deal as win for nation....

I can just visualize him making his speech under a "Mission Accomplished," banner. LOL!
 
Here's what I found...



Here Are The Main Points Of The Iran Nuclear Deal | Business Insider

Anyone see any problems with this? This same story came out a couple months ago and there were loopholes that allowed a certain amount of the stockpile with 20% or over enrichment, and unless I'm reading this wrong that loophole doesn't exist here.

This was the second point in your own post....

"* Iran has committed to neutralising its entire stockpile of uranium enriched to 20 per cent, which is close to weapons-grade and therefore a main area of concern."

You didn't see that?
 
I don't trust you, therefore what Obama says is true.

Wrong...Your logic is faulty...I am a truck driver, not a politician. Therefore I have no power in this, so your premise is a fail.
 
Of course they said that. What would you expect they say? Doesn't make it true.
 
This was the second point in your own post....

"* Iran has committed to neutralising its entire stockpile of uranium enriched to 20 per cent, which is close to weapons-grade and therefore a main area of concern."

You didn't see that?

In other words its stockpile, which has been enriched to 20%, is to be neutralized.
 
Of course they said that. What would you expect they say? Doesn't make it true.

J-Mac seems to be under the impression that a scenario exists in which the Iranian President would publicly announce we had gotten the better of them.
 
This was the second point in your own post....

"* Iran has committed to neutralising its entire stockpile of uranium enriched to 20 per cent, which is close to weapons-grade and therefore a main area of concern."

You didn't see that?

I think you're misreading it. They're not neutralizing it to 20%, they're neutralizing the stuff that is at 20%.

I think the deal is a win for the world. If we can resolve the situation with diplomacy, that's preferable to war right? What was it Reagan said, "Trust but verify?" The first part of it is trust. That's intentional.
 
J-Mac seems to be under the impression that a scenario exists in which Iran would publicly announce we had pulled the wool over their eyes.

I think he is under the impression that a scenario exists where they would say "You win, we give up!" (Without talking to them, of course)
 
In other words its stockpile, which has been enriched to 20%, is to be neutralized.

Oh my....Read the sentence...Neutralized to 20%....So that means they get to stockpile pretty damn close to weapons grade.
 
J-Mac seems to be under the impression that a scenario exists in which the Iranian President would publicly announce we had gotten the better of them.

I can speak for myself thank you.
 
Oh my....Read the sentence...Neutralized to 20%....So that means they get to stockpile pretty damn close to weapons grade.

No.

Even you should be able to see that a point specifically left in to allow near-weapons grade uranium in their possession would render the entire deal meaningless.
 
I think you're misreading it. They're not neutralizing it to 20%, they're neutralizing the stuff that is at 20%.

I think the deal is a win for the world. If we can resolve the situation with diplomacy, that's preferable to war right? What was it Reagan said, "Trust but verify?" The first part of it is trust. That's intentional.


WASHINGTON – Key elements of a new nuclear agreement between Iran and six world powers are contained in an informal, 30-page text not yet publicly acknowledged by Western officials, Iran’s chief negotiator said Monday.
Abbas Araqchi disclosed the existence of the document in a Persian-language interview with the semiofficial Iranian Students News Agency.
The new agreement, announced over the weekend, sets out a timetable for how Iran and the six nations, led by the United States, will implement a deal reached in November that is aimed at restraining Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
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When officials from Iran and the world powers announced that they had completed the implementing agreement, they didn’t release the text of the deal, nor did they acknowledge the existence of an informal addendum.
In the interview, Araqchi referred to the side agreement using the English word “nonpaper,” a diplomatic term used for an informal side agreement that doesn’t have to be disclosed publicly.
The nonpaper deals with such important details as the operation of a joint commission to oversee how the deal is implemented and Iran’s right to continue nuclear research and development during the next several months, he said.
Araqchi described the joint commission as an influential body that will have authority to decide disputes. U.S. officials have described it as a discussion forum rather than a venue for arbitrating major disputes.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday that the text of the implementing agreement would be released to lawmakers. He said the six parties were weighing how much of the text they could release publicly.
Asked late Monday about the existence of the informal nonpaper, White House officials referred the question to the State Department. A State Department comment wasn’t immediately available.
[Updated 8:45 p.m. Jan. 13: A State Department spokeswoman, Marie Harf, denied later Monday that there was any secret agreement.
"Any documentation associated with implementation tracks completely with what we've described," she said. "These are technical plans submitted to the International Atomic Energy Agency," the United Nations' nuclear watchdog agency.


New Iran agreement includes secret side deal, Tehran official says - latimes.com

It's all Bull **** anyway...They are making 'side deals'....So in the end, whether it is 1 year from now, or 3 years we will all of the sudden hear how Iran has broken out, and is testing their bomb.....Probably close to the end of Obama's term so liberals can blame it on the next repub President like they did with NK.
 
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