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    **** that idiotic judge. It's ridiculous what these assholes want to do to the internet.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm probably a little slow, but is this in any way connected to the "fairness doctine" that Democrats seemed to be pushing for some years ago?
    Not really. The fairness doctrine applied only to over the air broadcasters and at the time it existed (up to late seventies-early eighties) broadcast regulations recognized that RF spectrum is a limited resource that should be used in the public interest for at least a portion of time. It required broadcasters to allow a contrary opinion to have equal airtime when a station airs an editorial.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    My question is, in all fairness, don't we the tax payer own the damn ISP's anyway? Aren't we the one's that paid for the damn cable and towers through massive subsidies?

    As far as I'm concerned open internet is WHAT is intrinsic about the internet. This ruling opens the door for a tremendous amount of corruption, and is purely antithetical to consumer protections.


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    Corporations who even want to get into this business will be destroyed - I don't even see it as a viable risk - and that is what it is - a risk...

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    He's talking about the isp's filtering content if the rules are changed to allow that. If your isp doesn't like thepiratebay they will make it so that you cannot connect to it through your internet service. So it won't matter if thepiratebay is up or not, you can't get to it.
    Sure you can. There are any number of ways around local blocking and if you don't like what your ISP is doing, you can find another ISP. There are plenty around. I'm not saying that they should do it, I'm saying that it is a service they offer and you, as a consumer, decide if you want to pay for the service as they offer it or not. There is no right whatsoever to have an internet connection.

    Sadly this was bound to happen and eventually they will get everything they want. The internet will be just like many other pseudo "free market" industries. A few large corporations will control almost everything and nobody will be able to challenge their power. The libertarian dunces will be duped again into thinking this is "freedom". Ask yourself this, is the internet free and great now, with government regulation? yes it is. Ask yourself this same question in 20 years and tell me how the "free market" made the internet better. An internet structure that was largely created through government and taxpayer money, handed off to the private sector to milk dry as alllll theirs.
    Where do you get the idea that you actually have a right to connect to the internet at all? It's a service. It's provided by companies. You either pay for that service or you do not. Now I agree with you, I'd much rather have a free and open internet but I don't pretend that I have a right to have it that way, or at all. I'm just being realistic. It's a free market. Let those who want to filter do so and I know who not to pay any money to.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    “Without broadband provider market power, consumers, of course, have options,” the court writes. “They can go to another broadband provider if they want to reach particular edge providers or if their connections to particular edge providers have been degraded.”


    LOL that's a good one. Do these people live in the real world? Choices?? Really?? I live in the middle of Dallas TX, the 4th largest metro area in the United States, and my ONLY choice is Time Warner Cable.

    Previously, I lived in Chicago, and my ONLY choice was Comcast.

    Choices. Ha! Yeah right.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Huh....SPEECH IS AN ACTION...verbally, in art, etc, etc, etc, .....speech is express a multitude of ways...NO? Don't answer.

    Thanks for that LONG fulfilling response. Anything else? I haven't got much time. Those 1 to 5 word replies and statements are extremely time consuming.
    And involve little thought.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No you don't....... You own a server?

    In a competition based market there will always be some entity that will offer you a better solution - or a better service that suit your needs (weather it is whatever you do)....

    Corporations who even want to get into this business will be destroyed - I don't even see it as a viable risk - and that is what it is - a risk...
    If you think cable and internet providers work in a free market situation, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

    It doesn't work that way at all.

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    And involve little thought.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If you think cable and internet providers work in a free market situation, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

    It doesn't work that way at all.
    Good thing your problems with it now have stemmed from direct state involvement.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure you can. There are any number of ways around local blocking and if you don't like what your ISP is doing, you can find another ISP. There are plenty around.
    You don't understand how the Internet works.

    Even if there are multiple ISPs in an area, they all, in turn, get their Internet service thru Tier 1 providers, so if Verizon, AT&T (Tier 1 providers) decide to block specific traffic, the ISPs leasing lines from them can't circumvent the block.

    Furthermore, ISPs that operate either thru coax or fiber optic cabling thru to residences are limited within a geographic area--one or 2 will typically monopolize an area, leaving the consumer w/few choices.

    From a free market point of view, ANY ISP can be free to control traffic any way it wants thru its own pipes (including real space airwaves) so long as the pipes don't run thru public land or public cabling.

    OTOH, if coaxial/fiber optic cabling runs thru public land, then the municipalities thru which it runs have a right to dictate the terms by which those cables may be run.

    IN reality, cities/towns DO have regulatory authority over cable/fiber communication that runs through their areas.

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