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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Of course you backed up that belief by voicing A&E's right to fire Phil Robertson and anyone else that has views that might be controversial. To do otherwise would be hypocritical.
    A&E had every tight to fire Phil Robertson if he said something they didn't like while they were paying him. Employment is "at will". Either side can stop at any time they want. Granted, the whole debacle was just a stunt to get ratings, they never intended to actually "fire" him, now he's back on the show, but they did not stifle his "free speech" rights one bit. He has a right to speak his mind. He has no freedom from the consequences of that speech, except where the government is involved.

    There's nothing hypocritical about it, it's entirely consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Would they do that? Probably not. But they will most likely kill thepiratebay and the like. They are required to tell customers, however, if any of those types of activities are ongoing. Not exactly sure how the FTC determines the authenticity of their policies, but I suspect audits would take place.
    They won't kill piratebay, they've been trying for years and have been entirely unable to. Piratebay's servers are in countries that simply ignore takedown requests. The only way to do it is for the U.S. military to invade these countries and then, piratebay would just move their servers. And even if they did, by some miracle, manage to take down piratebay, there are hundreds of other torrent sites already out there, plus others that would spring up to fill the void. To anyone who wants to do that, I wish them good luck.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And then more competition from corporations who dont censor. Free market win.
    Private businesses may censor, but because the lines on which Internet traffic is carried operates is a limited resource, it comprises an oligopoly; hence, the rationale for outside regulation.

    Libertarian way to handle this is to allow municipalities to enact conditions by which Tier 1/2 providers must adhere if they wish to run fiber optic or POTS lines through the communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Unfortunately this was inevitable. Internet providers have been pushing for this forever, and it was only a matter of time before they got their way.
    Change time to money, you got it.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They won't kill piratebay, they've been trying for years and have been entirely unable to. Piratebay's servers are in countries that simply ignore takedown requests. The only way to do it is for the U.S. military to invade these countries and then, piratebay would just move their servers. And even if they did, by some miracle, manage to take down piratebay, there are hundreds of other torrent sites already out there, plus others that would spring up to fill the void. To anyone who wants to do that, I wish them good luck.
    He's talking about the isp's filtering content if the rules are changed to allow that. If your isp doesn't like thepiratebay they will make it so that you cannot connect to it through your internet service. So it won't matter if thepiratebay is up or not, you can't get to it.

    Sadly this was bound to happen and eventually they will get everything they want. The internet will be just like many other pseudo "free market" industries. A few large corporations will control almost everything and nobody will be able to challenge their power. The libertarian dunces will be duped again into thinking this is "freedom". Ask yourself this, is the internet free and great now, with government regulation? yes it is. Ask yourself this same question in 20 years and tell me how the "free market" made the internet better. An internet structure that was largely created through government and taxpayer money, handed off to the private sector to milk dry as alllll theirs.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    The internet will be just like many other pseudo "free market" industries.
    A free market cannot exist within a state. A free market is free from the state. I understand the need for you to think that a free makrte can exist with literally hundreds of thousands of regulations, personally and emotionally, but it makes no rational, logical, or reasonable sense.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    more :

    Feds Can't Enforce Net Neutrality: What This Means For You : All Tech Considered : NPR

    the more i read about this, the more it pisses me off.
    My question is, in all fairness, don't we the tax payer own the damn ISP's anyway? Aren't we the one's that paid for the damn cable and towers through massive subsidies?

    As far as I'm concerned open internet is WHAT is intrinsic about the internet. This ruling opens the door for a tremendous amount of corruption, and is purely antithetical to consumer protections.


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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    A free market cannot exist within a state. A free market is free from the state. I understand the need for you to think that a free makrte can exist with literally hundreds of thousands of regulations, personally and emotionally, but it makes no rational, logical, or reasonable sense.
    Yes, exactly. The "free market" in the U.S. as touted by the right and libertarians is a rigged market that allows the powerful to stomp anyone and everything that gets in their way under the guise of "freedom". Its a bait and switch and its happening again right here. The internet is just fine the way it is and it will be ruined, I guarantee it.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Yes, exactly. The "free market" in the U.S. as touted by the right and libertarians is a rigged market that allows the powerful to stomp anyone and everything that gets in their way under the guise of "freedom". Its a bait and switch and its happening again right here. The internet is just fine the way it is and it will be ruined, I guarantee it.
    I agree there is no free market because the state is heavily involved in it.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    I don't agree with the ruling, but can understand the basis for it. If every community has ready access to an ISP that does not restrict content, then the decision (if allowed to stand) may do little harm. If a large portion of the country only has access to a broadband service that is content restricted, then the current age of the internet as the best free speech medium in history will end. It was a great experiment, but politicians and big business rarely tolerate genuine freedom of expression for very long.

    At the very least, broadband providers who restrict content should be prohibited from claiming that they provide access to the internet since it would false advertising. If it isn't the entire internet, it isn't the internet.

    There is also hope that enough people will refuse to buy restricted content services that the providers will be driven to provide it. Since people willingly accept paying to watch advertising in movie theaters, that may be a slim hope. On the other hand, the old content restricted services like AOL died off when full internet access became readily available.

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