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U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality [W:23]

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scatt said:
You subscribe to the notion that government can be good. That is your problem to be worked out privately.
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Meh, can't take you seriously.
 
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danarhea said:
Get ready for corporate censorship of the internet.

Article is here.
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I heard about this today. And with a right-wing SCOTUS, I don't see it getting overturned on appeal.
 
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jonny5 said:
And then more competition from corporations who dont censor. Free market win.
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Common Carrier...

Would you think its ok that your phone company listen in on your calls and charge you based on what you said in that conversation?
 
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All the reason to move servers out of the U.S., which people have already been doing for years. VPNs are going to get very popular.

The U.S. is no different than China now, thanks to this ruling.
 
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I'm serious with this question.
Zyphlin said:
Moderator's Warning:
Take the back and forth to the basement. Everyone needs to stop baiting/trolling and get on topic
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Why doesn't your warning appear in the thread title as they normally do in others?
Just asking, nothing negative?
I came back to the thread after several hours and saw the in-thread warning as I checked the thread .
 
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CanadaJohn said:
I'm probably a little slow, but is this in any way connected to the "fairness doctine" that Democrats seemed to be pushing for some years ago?
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Not really. First, the fairness doctrine had been in place for decades and worked well until repealed by Reagan.

As far as Net Neutrality... bad mojo. It's basically saying that your ISP is no longer a common carrier. This opens the door to tell you what you can do on the internet as far as going to or supplying to the internet. It can tier charges on a whim.

I'd really not have a problem with this if there were actually real competition in ISP's. Sure there is wireless phone ISP's now and then there is the phone company but there is only one cable company and therefore cable speeds. It's not real competition. So if you use the internet a lot, as all of us do more and more every day, it is a serious threat.

I predict serious throttling of speeds to arise as competition to cable TV arise more and more like Google's Chromecast or Roku or Apple TV... any internet based video supplying technology the cable company has a vested interest in using their virtual internet monopoly to suppress that tech so that people instead opt for their tv service.
 
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Samhain said:
No. It means that each internet provider( dial up, dsl, cable, satellite, etc ) can restrict or hinder your internet connection for whatever reason. If Time Warner wants to make it impossible for you to reach DISH Satellite TV Packages & Satellite Television Service | DISH to sign up for a competing service, they can.

Would they do that? Probably not. But they will most likely kill thepiratebay and the like. They are required to tell customers, however, if any of those types of activities are ongoing. Not exactly sure how the FTC determines the authenticity of their policies, but I suspect audits would take place.
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I can see Comcast internet blocking access to Fox since they bought NBC. Or CBS or ABC...
 
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Hicup said:
My question is, in all fairness, don't we the tax payer own the damn ISP's anyway? Aren't we the one's that paid for the damn cable and towers through massive subsidies?

As far as I'm concerned open internet is WHAT is intrinsic about the internet. This ruling opens the door for a tremendous amount of corruption, and is purely antithetical to consumer protections.


Tim-
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Absolutely. This is going to end up being a huge disservice to small upstart businesses.
 
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Peter Grimm said:
This will show the cable companies to be the cartels they really are. Watch as speeds on sites like YouTube go down now for every provider at the same time.

The government can't stop collusion.

Also, this decision is a joke because there is no choice in broadband providers. We get whoever won the government contract to dig up roads, etc.
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UNLESS!!!! You are in Kansas City, or soon, Austin, TX or Provo UT.

Google Fiber

There you can tell the cable company to kiss your ass with their 20mb or 50mb speeds when Google is sending you 1gb/sec speed for the same price or less. The rest of us are screwed.
 
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Tiered pricing... What a HUGE regression. Instead of being wide open, I'm seeing us regressing into like... Directtv styled pricing where "you get these channels for $X." Then you get these few extra channels for $X + much more." ... and on and on and on.
 
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jonny5 said:
And then more competition from corporations who dont censor. Free market win.
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Given the nature of the internet and the incredibly high barrier to entry for an ISP, no, this is not to be expected.

Additionally, these ISPs received substantial taxpayer funding to set up these networks. So I think that has strings attached, like don't censor the internet.
 
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Deuce said:
Given the nature of the internet and the incredibly high barrier to entry for an ISP, no, this is not to be expected.

Additionally, these ISPs received substantial taxpayer funding to set up these networks. So I think that has strings attached, like don't censor the internet.
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Good to see you support attaching strings to receiving government money.
 
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Deuce said:
Given the nature of the internet and the incredibly high barrier to entry for an ISP, no, this is not to be expected.

Additionally, these ISPs received substantial taxpayer funding to set up these networks. So I think that has strings attached, like don't censor the internet.
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I think you are missing the point. I'll let the super tech genius, Senator Ted Stevens, explain it to you in his highly informative argument for killing net neutrality:



It saddens me that someone so ignorant of the topic as this guy was, makes rules we have to live by.
 
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scatt said:
Good to see you support attaching strings to receiving government money.
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And apparently you don't.
 
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poweRob said:
And apparently you don't.
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I do not support state regulation riving individuals or companies money.
 
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solletica said:
Private businesses may censor, but because the lines on which Internet traffic is carried operates is a limited resource, it comprises an oligopoly; hence, the rationale for outside regulation.

Libertarian way to handle this is to allow municipalities to enact conditions by which Tier 1/2 providers must adhere if they wish to run fiber optic or POTS lines through the communities.
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Its not limited though. We have mulitple ways to transmit energy, via cables, radio, light, vibration, even future tech like quantum entanglement. Whats the difference between Comcast charging me more for HBO, and charging me more for youtube? Just a matter of perspective. This is why govt needs to stay out of it. Let customers and producers figure it out.
 
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poweRob said:
Common Carrier...

Would you think its ok that your phone company listen in on your calls and charge you based on what you said in that conversation?
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No, which is why I would use someone who didnt. Free market.
 
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Cephus said:
Sure you can. There are any number of ways around local blocking and if you don't like what your ISP is doing, you can find another ISP.
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Eh, this isn't necessarily always true nor is it a truly "free" market. This is evidenced by the limitations on the cable and phone companies throughout the country. Where I grew up, if you want cable you have to go with Comcast. That's it, that's your choice, largely thanks to regulations. If I want Cox that's too bad...I'm stuck with Comcast or Comcast.

That's not a free market, and it's an integral portion of the ISP market, which is why this continued refrain of "It's a free market" is ridiculous. It's a market that's already HEAVILY regulated, and said regulations make actual substantial and significant competition extremely difficult. So either REMOVE the other regulations OR put down regulation that protects against the problems the past regulations help cause.
 
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scatt said:
Because of state intervention, sure.
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Yes. So if you want to push to remove that state intervention to try and "fix" the potential problem, that's great.

UNTIL that happens, the problem still exists and steps should be taken to combat it. You can't on one side scream "FREE MARKET" in support of killing net neutrality and then on the other side acknowledge it's not a free market.

Government involvement has created a situation where the oppertunity for this issue has arose; it's no more or less a "free market" if government involvement stops that issue from happening becuase it's government involvement that created the oppertunity in the first place.
 
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poweRob said:
I can see Comcast internet blocking access to Fox since they bought NBC. Or CBS or ABC...
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I don't. If they do, it creates an opportunity for someone to setup a competing, open infrastructure......for a price. :)
 
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