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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    That may end up being true but I guarantee if the demand is there someone will fill it in some manner.
    It takes billions of dollars to do it, you have to tear up streets, and that's still no guarantee you can actually avoid using lines run by the other ISPs due to the way internet traffic works. It's really weird when the Econ 101 libertarian crowd can't even correctly analyze the fundamental market forces that make up their belief structure. Limits to competition inherently mean limits to the effectiveness of the market and its ability to actually service true demand.

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    Wonder how this will impact the functionality of virtual private networks/servers and onion routing.

    I guess a VPN could theoretically fool your ISP into thinking Netflix traffic isn't coming from Netflix, but an ISP is going to figure that sort of thing out.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Power companies shouldn't be able to regulate which appliances you are allowed to use. ISP's shouldn't be able to regulate which services you use.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Power companies shouldn't be able to regulate which appliances you are allowed to use. ISP's shouldn't be able to regulate which services you use.
    "We see that your electricity is going into a Dell brand computer. Powering Dell brand computers comes with an additional service fee of $4.95 per kWh. Here's a link to Apple computers, which do not come with this additional fee! (because Apple paid us an arbitrary amount of money for that. Don't worry, I'm sure they didn't increase the price of their computers. They wouldn't pass on costs to customers, would they?)"

    And some of the right-wingers here think this will be good for the market.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality [W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
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    I really hope not.

    I do think they'll have an overseas market for a long time even if they're blocked in America.

    This is so anti-trust. I can see how the courts will let this happen.

    BTW: Although Roku might be in a David vs. Goliath situation, guess who else is in the game? Apple. I suppose we can hope Apple is a big enough player not to sit back and allow themselves to be bullied by the ISPs. At the same TV the Apple TV product isn't hugely important to the company compared to iPhones, iPads and computers and there could be a pick your battles issue.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Nope, Comcast is trying to prevent communities through which its cable runs from allowing it to enact terms and conditions on how that cable is to be used, in spite of the fact that the communities own the land.

    You're claiming that an apt. complex owner dictating rules, regulations to tenants is micromanaging their lives--that's hardly the case. Property owners have a right to dictate terms re: the use of their land.
    Except that in this case, the federal govt doesnt, because there are rules specifically prohibiting it. The federal govt doesnt own my street, nor are they allowed to. They dont own the air over my head either, or the internet. This is not about state, local or individual control, and soley about what the federal govt, through the FCC, can and cant do, should and shouldnt do.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Power companies shouldn't be able to regulate which appliances you are allowed to use. ISP's shouldn't be able to regulate which services you use.
    Yes they should, so long as you choose to purchase electricity from them.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "We see that your electricity is going into a Dell brand computer. Powering Dell brand computers comes with an additional service fee of $4.95 per kWh. Here's a link to Apple computers, which do not come with this additional fee! (because Apple paid us an arbitrary amount of money for that. Don't worry, I'm sure they didn't increase the price of their computers. They wouldn't pass on costs to customers, would they?)"

    And some of the right-wingers here think this will be good for the market.
    Im not a right winger, but I agree that FREEDOM is good for the market. If you dont like the power company, dont buy their power. A company that tried your tactics would quickly go out of business. Problem solved.

    Sadly govt does exactly what youre saying, and people dont care. "we dont like cigarettes, light bulbs, coal, or oil. we are going to charge you extra, or ban them"

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Yes they should, so long as you choose to purchase electricity from them.
    No, they shouldn't.

    You don't choose who to purchase electricity from, BTW. You either purchase it from the one provider you are given or you don't get electricity. Even if government-sanctioned monopolies ended tomorrow, this wouldn't change.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It takes billions of dollars to do it, you have to tear up streets, and that's still no guarantee you can actually avoid using lines run by the other ISPs due to the way internet traffic works.
    Only if you assume that another will NEVER be invented. That's a bad assumption to make.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Only if you assume that another will NEVER be invented. That's a bad assumption to make.
    Aside from Deuce's valid argument that the amount of investment required to develop the infrastructure for a competitor is way too high for any investor to take on given the risk/return, you are also completely ignoring the fact that, should Deuce be wrong and someone actually does do this, you now have competition between...two companies. Some choice!
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