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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Then why does Comcast get a right to free speech on its cables running on land (i. e. the platform) on which the public owns?
    I dont think anyone is arguing free speech. But rather that the federal govt doesnt have to right to micromanage operations. Comcast or whoever isnt trying to censor, but to profit off high demand services.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality [W:23]

    What needs to happen is that liberal municipalities (i. e. Seattle, Berkeley, Boston, SF) need to enact immediate measures to disallow cable runs through those cities unless those cable cos. meet the city's strict terms.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont think anyone is arguing free speech. But rather that the federal govt doesnt have to right to micromanage operations. Comcast or whoever isnt trying to censor, but to profit off high demand services.
    Nope, Comcast is trying to prevent communities through which its cable runs from allowing it to enact terms and conditions on how that cable is to be used, in spite of the fact that the communities own the land.

    You're claiming that an apt. complex owner dictating rules, regulations to tenants is micromanaging their lives--that's hardly the case. Property owners have a right to dictate terms re: the use of their land.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality [W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    You're not wrong, and ISPs are already doing it everyday. The only reason Skype works in the US, for instance, is because Microsoft shells out big $$ to ensure that Skype packets aren't selectively blocked.

    What the ISPs need to recognize here is that the Internet is not just the bad ol' USA, but other countries have networks (i. e. fiber) through which IP traffic runs, and a content provider's market consists of those countries as well.

    So if an ISP tries to block/slow a content provider's packets, that content provider will still claim a large market share in countries (i. e. Iceland, Norway) where its packets aren't slowed.

    During the time Skype became big, it was still very much a European craze, and it was not until later that it became popular in the US, and only at that point can US ISPs step in to address it.

    BOTTOM line: the ISPs geographic limitation gives it limited power to exploit its oligopoly to stifle competition from content providers

    Principle aside, I'd probably not care very much if cable and satellite gave their customers what they want in terms of service. There are two reasons people like Roku, Apple TV and Goople Play:

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    2. You can get loads of content cable doesn't offer.

    In an earlier phase in my life I was completely stoked that satellite TV (DirecTV and DISH Network) had the technical ability to bring distant city local TV to anywhere in America. Guess what? The TV industry got congress to outlaw it. I tried every loophole I could think of to get around it and even had select TV stations in New York and Los Angeles for a while but that eventually ended and in time I gave up.

    Now I have Roku and discovered the Livestream channel that offers presently 40 or so local TV stations local newscasts from Boston to Hawaii in HD and growing. Now I'm waiting for the local news from TV stations around the English speaking world outside of the US, which I think is only a matter of time. Cable TV and satellite could have done what Roku is offering but never did.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I dont think anyone is arguing free speech. But rather that the federal govt doesnt have to right to micromanage operations. Comcast or whoever isnt trying to censor, but to profit off high demand services.
    And they will increase their profits via anti-competitive measures and censorship. Being able to control traffic like this allows ISPs to greatly harm startups and entrepreneurs.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality [W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Principle aside, I'd probably not care very much if cable and satellite gave their customers what they want in terms of service. There are two reasons people like Roku, Apple TV and Goople Play:

    1. Its cheaper
    2. You can get loads of content cable doesn't offer.

    In an earlier phase in my life I was completely stoked that satellite TV (DirecTV and DISH Network) had the technical ability to bring distant city local TV to anywhere in America. Guess what? The TV industry got congress to outlaw it. I tried every loophole I could think of to get around it and even had select TV stations in New York and Los Angeles for a while but that eventually ended and in time I gave up.

    Now I have Roku and discovered the Livestream channel that offers presently 40 or so local TV stations local newscasts from Boston to Hawaii in HD and growing. Now I'm waiting for the local news from TV stations around the English speaking world outside of the US, which I think is only a matter of time. Cable TV and satellite could have done what Roku is offering but never did.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Whoever circumvents it (runs their own pipes) will have to lobby the silly idiotic legislatures of the konservative (anti-freedom) states to be able to do it.
    That may end up being true but I guarantee if the demand is there someone will fill it in some manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    TRANSLATION: you have no problem w/cable companies running cables through public taxpayer-funded land and then be subject to zero accountability from those said taxpayers.
    Why did it need to be translated from English to English?
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    What evidence do you have that Comcast owns all the land through which its cables run? Please provide it for us below. Certainly you're not arguing that Comcast can do whatever it wants on land it doesn't own, right?
    They don't need to own the land they only need an easement just like the electric company or water company has to maintain, replace or repair the lines.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Wonder how this will impact the functionality of virtual private networks/servers and onion routing.
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