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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    What?
    I was telling you that I plan to dig up your lawn in your front yard and back yard next week to run my own cables. FYI, I own the cables (I bought them), so you have no right to stop me.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    I was telling you that I plan to dig up your lawn in your front yard and back yard next week to run my own cables.
    Nope.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Nope.
    You let Comcast run cables on land that you paid for, so I can do the same thing. Sorry, that's the rule--you have no right to dictate what I can do with my cables.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    You do not own that land, and neither does Comcast.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    You do not own that land, and neither does Comcast.
    It doesn't matter--I own the cables, and so I can run it wherever I want (including on your property) and do with them as I please. That's a free market, right?

    Comcast does that, and you're OK with it.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    That's a free market, right?
    Nope.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by scatt View Post
    Nope.
    Sorry, it is, according to you. They are my cables, and Comcast's cables. Therefore, you have no right to dictate what Comcast and I can do w/those cables, even if it runs through land you paid for.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Sorry, it is, according to you.
    It is not a free market, that has been the argument from the beginning.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality [W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Get ready for corporate censorship of the internet.

    Article is here.
    From what I think I understand of the ruling, and I hope I'm wrong, is ISP who also offer cable TV/satellite subscription service may soon be able to legally block Internet access dependent competitors to cable TV like Netflix, Hulu and even youtube. Or it might possibly mean if you access those services, you have to pay more regardless of whether or not you use more bandwidth than a non-user. So in essence, it might not be about speech censorship where certain ideological perspectives might be banned but rather a backdoor ruling that has an inadvertent anti-competition pathway for ISPs that operate cable TV services to shutout online streaming TV. Again, I might be and hope I'm wrong.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality [W:23]

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    From what I think I understand of the ruling, and I hope I'm wrong, is ISP who also offer cable TV/satellite subscription service may soon be able to legally block Internet access dependent competitors to cable TV like Netflix, Hulu and even youtube. Or it might possibly mean if you access those services, you have to pay more regardless of whether or not you use more bandwidth than a non-user. So in essence, it might not be about speech censorship where certain ideological perspectives might be banned but rather a backdoor ruling that has an inadvertent anti-competition pathway for ISPs that operate cable TV services to shutout online streaming TV. Again, I might be and hope I'm wrong.
    You're not wrong, and ISPs are already doing it everyday. The only reason Skype works in the US, for instance, is because Microsoft shells out big $$ to ensure that Skype packets aren't selectively blocked.

    What the ISPs need to recognize here is that the Internet is not just the bad ol' USA, but other countries have networks (i. e. fiber) through which IP traffic runs, and a content provider's market consists of those countries as well.

    So if an ISP tries to block/slow a content provider's packets, that content provider will still claim a large market share in countries (i. e. Iceland, Norway) where its packets aren't slowed.

    During the time Skype became big, it was still very much a European craze, and it was not until later that it became popular in the US, and only at that point can US ISPs step in to address it.

    BOTTOM line: the ISPs geographic limitation gives it limited power to exploit its oligopoly to stifle competition from content providers

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