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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, which is why I would use someone who didnt. Free market.
    When you have choices you might.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I don't. If they do, it creates an opportunity for someone to setup a competing, open infrastructure......for a price.
    Only if they have Google's deep pockets.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    What you are looking for is essentially optical wi-fi: laser-based transmission of data. Not sure how they would get around the point-to-point problem, but we can rest assured that top men are on it.
    A laughable suggestion.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    Not bigger, better. The reason the private sector wants to kill the government is so that they exercise absolute control with nothing to stop them. You really think that is preferable?
    Cleverest PR stunt ever, tricking folks into considering the referee the opponent.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I think that the market works best when its left alone. That govt sometimes makes things better is the exception, not the rule. But as you allude, thats an ideological argument. If you have faith in govt, then that justifies what they do. If you have faith in freedom and the individual, then that justifies what they do. Im in the latter camp. I dont trust govt to get nearly anything right.
    And the issue is that you believe this is universally the case. It is not. See, certain markets have underlying issues that dampen or remove fundamental market forces. Surely you'd agree that choice, competition, and a reasonably informed consumer are basic features that a well-functioning market requires.

    Radio stations are an excellent example. There are physical barriers to open competition: two signals cannot coexist on the same frequency. Given that radio frequencies suitable to broadcast radio and television are finite, this means there is a physical cap on the number of stations that can operate in a region. Plus, anti-competitive measures are easy to take. One can simply build a stronger transmitter and jam out the competition. For this reason, some regulatory oversight is required.

    Internet service has major infrastructure problems that create a very high barrier to entry. This limits competition. Plus, the fundamental structure of the internet means it's not just about your ISP. If comcast censors the internet, you can theoretically pick another carrier if one is available. (And in most areas, there isn't another cable company) But: that ISP still can't guarantee that their data doesn't route through one of comcast's hops. Comcast can still theoretically slow netflix down to a crawl for a DeuceCorp customer.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No, I think they are natural, temporary, and superficial. There are no real monopolies except maybe govt.
    Laughably wrong. Check in to what percentage of the population actually has access to two different cable providers. ISPs are natural monopolies like water and electric companies. It can be physically impossible to have a second cable company operate in some areas.

    You are going to see costs go up, and speeds go down, and there isn't going to be an increase in choice. Worse, you'll see a reduction in entrepreneurship in any field that an ISP might see as competition. Music. Video. News... But hey, I bet you trust the companies that own all that liberal mainstream media will still let you go to foxnews.com at normal speeds?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A laughable suggestion.
    Penn State already has a prototype.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Radio stations are an excellent example.
    Yes they are a great example, hence the birth of Satellite radio. When there is a demand there is someone who will find a solution. It may take a while but it will be found.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I agree. I've not suggested otherwise.

    What's also Economics 101 is that if the choice in an area is "Comcast or no cable" then people are probably going to pay for the service even if they have to take it in the ass.

    Again, my preference would be that we didn't have tax payer subsidies for telecom infastructure, we don't have regulations allowing telecoms near singular control over various issues, and we actually have a relatively free market so that net neutrality wouldn't be needed.

    However, unless that happens or UNTIL that happens, government regulation is needed to help protect against the harmful situation the government has created the environment for.
    Which means Comcast has not yet caused a need for competition. When they do, competitors will appears. Of course, we have DSL and Satelite. There ARE competitors. People still choose Comcast.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Laughably wrong. Check in to what percentage of the population actually has access to two different cable providers. ISPs are natural monopolies like water and electric companies. It can be physically impossible to have a second cable company operate in some areas.

    You are going to see costs go up, and speeds go down, and there isn't going to be an increase in choice. Worse, you'll see a reduction in entrepreneurship in any field that an ISP might see as competition. Music. Video. News... But hey, I bet you trust the companies that own all that liberal mainstream media will still let you go to foxnews.com at normal speeds?
    Cable is only one way to get television or internet. It happens to be the BEST way, which is why it dominates. My speeds have skyrocketed, FYI. That's why Comcast dominates here.

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