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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I don't. If they do, it creates an opportunity for someone to setup a competing, open infrastructure......for a price.
    Umm, not really....

    First, they're not likely to get someone starting a competing, open infrastructure with Cable because regulations in place for ages probably makes Comcast your only CABLE provider. So do you want that really high speed access through your cable provider? Well, nope...can't have that.

    Second, depending where you're at your other options may be limited as well. Many places you're stuck with one phone company and can go with the generally slower DSL service. You may or may not have access to Satelite internet, largely depending on your location. You could go with a cell company if you have good reception, though that will potentially give you much slower connections or a severely limited amount of usage.

    Third, it fails to understand that ultimately even if you COULD start up small competing companies, they'd still likely be piggybacking off the Teir 1 company, Comcast's, backbone in the area and thus still subject to the same throttling issues as if you were directly working with Comcast. Mind you, backbone that we the people largely subsidized and paid for.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I don't. If they do, it creates an opportunity for someone to setup a competing, open infrastructure......for a price.
    I this close to canceling Comcast just for charging me too much and not allowing me to choose channels a la carte. I hope they try this just to push me over the edge. ATT uverse has a much better interface, but I cant get them. I download all the shows now anyway. All i need is live tv.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Umm, not really....

    First, they're not likely to get someone starting a competing, open infrastructure with Cable because regulations in place for ages probably makes Comcast your only CABLE provider. So do you want that really high speed access through your cable provider? Well, nope...can't have that.

    Second, depending where you're at your other options may be limited as well. Many places you're stuck with one phone company and can go with the generally slower DSL service. You may or may not have access to Satelite internet, largely depending on your location. You could go with a cell company if you have good reception, though that will potentially give you much slower connections or a severely limited amount of usage.

    Third, it fails to understand that ultimately even if you COULD start up small competing companies, they'd still likely be piggybacking off the Teir 1 company, Comcast's, backbone in the area and thus still subject to the same throttling issues as if you were directly working with Comcast. Mind you, backbone that we the people largely subsidized and paid for.
    And then someone will invent something better. There has to be demand.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And then someone will invent something better. There has to be demand.
    And people can frolic around hand in hand under a rainbow while gum drops fall from the sky.

    Look at your own post above. How long has there been "Demand" for something better than the ****ty, horrible, raping us in the ass cable company structures? Decades. And even now, there's been little significant "invention" of "something better" in large part because cable has such a devastating and complete hold Cable has on the situation.

    Oh, and shocker…some of the few inventions that actually have been made that, almost by accident, helped that problem? Things like Netflix, Hulu? Guess what they’re dependent on…oh right, the same internet that said cable providers control.

    You have first hand, indisputable, clear example of how that principle you just suggested DOESN’T WORK in the realm of the Telecoms under our current existing paradigm. And that’s in the modern day with the free and clear sharing of ideas and information leveraging the power of the internet; not a situation where said invention would need to be done in a boxed off walled garden that your telecom decides is the corner of the internet you need.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Yes, in so much as it is a federal law.
    I see...welp, thanks for at least seeing the possibilities. By the way. If a person incites a riot in a theater by falsely screaming, "FIRE" in a theater. It won't be the FEDs that show up to make an arrest.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Of course you backed up that belief by voicing A&E's right to fire Phil Robertson and anyone else that has views that might be controversial. To do otherwise would be hypocritical.
    And of course you understand that recognizing the existence and supporting that right doesn't mean that you can't disagree with the decision made, right?
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    They won't kill piratebay, they've been trying for years and have been entirely unable to. Piratebay's servers are in countries that simply ignore takedown requests. The only way to do it is for the U.S. military to invade these countries and then, piratebay would just move their servers. And even if they did, by some miracle, manage to take down piratebay, there are hundreds of other torrent sites already out there, plus others that would spring up to fill the void. To anyone who wants to do that, I wish them good luck.
    Well, no. They can restrict traffic to the servers at any firewall they control between you and Pirate Bay. Likewise they can insert lines into their ISP EULA saying you are not allowed to visit Pirate Bay and cut off your internet for going to Pirate bay.

    The only reason why they needed Pirate Bay servers taken offline before is because they weren't allowed to restrict traffic to the servers by law. Now they can.

    I am not taking a stand one way or the other on this other than to say that those who try to make this a 1st Amendment issue don't seem to understand the 1st Amendment.
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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And people can frolic around hand in hand under a rainbow while gum drops fall from the sky.

    Look at your own post above. How long has there been "Demand" for something better than the ****ty, horrible, raping us in the ass cable company structures? Decades. And even now, there's been little significant "invention" of "something better" in large part because cable has such a devastating and complete hold Cable has on the situation.

    Oh, and shocker…some of the few inventions that actually have been made that, almost by accident, helped that problem? Things like Netflix, Hulu? Guess what they’re dependent on…oh right, the same internet that said cable providers control.

    You have first hand, indisputable, clear example of how that principle you just suggested DOESN’T WORK in the realm of the Telecoms under our current existing paradigm. And that’s in the modern day with the free and clear sharing of ideas and information leveraging the power of the internet; not a situation where said invention would need to be done in a boxed off walled garden that your telecom decides is the corner of the internet you need.
    There isnt enough demand though, which is why there is no competition. And theres nothing stopping Netflix from developing their own distrubution method. You might have well said they cant compete with productions studios, until they did.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    So long as there isnt a local law protecting speech either, then yes. The point here is that people decided there would be no limits on speech (federally, when they consented to be governed by the constitution. Until they amend it, there are no limits. Which again is not reality. Govt does whatever it wants because it has bigger guns.

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    Re: U.S. appeals court kills net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    I don't. If they do, it creates an opportunity for someone to setup a competing, open infrastructure......for a price.
    No, it doesn't. Because Comcast owns all the lines in your neighborhood so anyone wanting to "compete" has to go through them anyway.
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