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Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

I did not misstate any facts. It is you that has changed gun homicides to gun murders. If a five year old kid takes his dad's gun and kills himself or his brother
with it, it certainly isn't any worse than a murder.

"In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States"
Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The discussion is the gun murders, not the majority of gun deaths, which are not murders. And do not cite Wikipedia as a response to the FBI, it will be ignored by everyone.
If you can't or refuse to access Wikipedia, here's the source for the data:

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/10LCID_Violence_Related_Injury_Deaths_2010-a.pdf


Will you now claim the CDC isn't a reputable source but the FBI is?
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

If you actually gave a damn about more than a 'cause' you would be advocating for mandatory minimum sentencing laws for anyone using a firearm in the commission of a crime and criminal possession of firearms rather than targeting the Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. But then...we already know what you actually care about.

Oh...and BTW...in places like Japan where they outlawed guns (and criminals still illegally imported guns) their completed suicide rates are dramatically higher than the suicide rates in the US. They find ways, be it jumping from buildings, poisoning, overdose, etc.
:lamo You're going to use Japan's suicide rate as a comparison?!? :lamo
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Tons of reasons. The first main one is for a courtesy to people who are squeamish around weapons, the second main one is tactical in case a person is not legally concealing and looking for a window of opportunity(such as an ambush during an armed robbery, I don't want to draw their eye and be the first target, I would rather they don't know I'm armed and focus on the money so that I can find my own window of opportunity to draw and defend).
Both good points. Thanks for your input! :)
 
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If wiki, with it's listed references, isn't good enough for you then don't even bother to post unreferenced data. With you being so picky about references, everyone would have to assume your data is complete crap. I mean, if it isn't complete crap, why isn't it referenced?
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

:lamo You're going to use Japan's suicide rate as a comparison?!? :lamo
Awwww...look how cute you are. Yes...I am going to use suicide rates in non-gun states just as readily as anti-gun people look to Japan as their 'model'. of success.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

The "epidemic of violence" as you call it has been around and discussed for many decades. It generally reappears every election as politicians promise to reduce crime. If you want to discuss that subject you're more than welcome to start a new thread. I'm sure you'll get plenty of replies.

Why are you trying to change the subject?
Always the same with you. Dood wants to talk overall murder rates, I say fine...lets DO talk overall murder rates and REAL solutions, not just the mindless I hate guns lets ban guns rhtetorc....and to you that is changing the subject.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

No thanks - doesn't work well and really expensive. I'm a conservative; I don't like wasting money.
Gotcha. So its just more typical bull**** rhetoric from you then? You really really really really really really REALLY care...as long as you dont have to actually address the real problems and can just target legal gun ownership.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Then why are there only 42 homicides in the UK? Why are the numbers so low in all of the countries that control it? If it were so easy to get illegal guns, why aren't their gun homicide rates 1/20 of the US?
Do those countries have the same type of drug problems we have? Gang problems we have? The VAST majority of violent crimes in this country occurs within certain demographics. You want answers...look there. Oh wait...thats right...you arent really willing to address the actual problems.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Who says I don't advocate that?

You just love debating imaginary strawman, don't you?
Your own words indict you. Of course...I'll allow for the possibility I could be mistaken. All you have to do then is point to your offerings of a 'solution' that actually addresses the violent crime and who is committing them and not one that merely targets law abiding citizens and legal gun ownership.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

I'm waiting for the usual suspects to jump in and take his side. Certain people for whom the gun owner is never wrong....

The shooter was wrong.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Are you suggesting like... every 3rd person carries a firearm? The states I've lived in, its pretty uncommon for someone to be armed...

Really, how do you know who's carrying?
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

LoL, you know where I've lived because of a label next to my name? I've lived all over the West U.S., in Utah currently. Funnily enough every person I know that does CC is a poser who thinks they are Steven Seagal on the verge of foiling some violent criminal activity, and they love the attention they get about carrying. I'm sure most aren't like that but... its funny.

Strange since the primary part about concealed carry is the concealed part.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Not significant, sorry. Most people survive assaults and other non-gun related crimes.

Haha.

If you can't or refuse to access Wikipedia, here's the source for the data:

Murders.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

The shooter was wrong.

Thank you. At least someone can see past partisan politics and admit that maybe this guy wasn't right just because he had a gun. He may have been within his rights to be armed, but he was not within his rights to shoot someone else.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Really, how do you know who's carrying?

Read the thread, its been determined about how many carry.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Strange since the primary part about concealed carry is the concealed part.

Concealed weapon, open mouth.

Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.
 
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Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.

That would be false.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Concealed weapon, open mouth.

Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.

Wrong again.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

I actually have no doubt about this. Although I dont know how you can equate getting al license taken away by crime a whole accounting on crime.

I am not equating "crime" and "license revocation." I don't think you understand what is going on here.

Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
Bah. The point was that those engaged in lawful carry are RARELY part of the problem... the vast majority of the incidents of which you speak involve drugs, gangs, or career criminals... not lawfully armed citizens.

to which you replied

Prove it. Lets see the numbers.

The numbers I gave you involve ALL those legally allowed carry a firearm into public in Florida. That is LAWFUL carry. Of THAT group only .001% have ACTUALLY committed a crime with a firearm. 10% of those who had a license REVOKED have actually had it reinstated. You can't get away from those numbers man. That is unequivical PROOF that LAWFUL CARRIERS are overwhelmingly NOT the group committing crimes.

I did a quick google search and found this random info about SC. I assume its representative of most areas:
ROBBERY

So there were 6000 robberies in the state - HALF using firearms. only about 2000 were 'cleared' - meaning an arrest was made. Thats less than a third.

How many of these people are LAWFUL carriers of firearms? As I demonstrated ABOVE...FEW. 168 in the state of Florida had permission to carry a firearm in public...and used that firearm to commit a crime. I PROVED to you that few LAW ABIDING citizens commit crimes with guns.

But I'm sure its still a small number... because guys who get CC permits are following the law. People who dont obey the law and commit gun crimes dont tend to bother with permits.

So why would you wish to RESTRICT the law abiding citizens if you are admitting here that people who already break laws, would not care about more laws. It seems you have stumbled upon the paradox that defeats the policy of "gun control as crime control." Maybe you will understand why the problem ISN'T with guns? IT is with people.

But thats still totally irrelevant to my point, which is that tens of thousands of people die by firearms each year in the US. And many people just think thats the cost of the freedom they enjoy to own their toys/security blankets. I think its a crappy trade off.

Tens of thousands commit suicide. Others die by ACCIDENT. If you want to talk about gun DEATHS...that is a dishonest discussion that seeks to blame an object for killing someone:



As the video demonstrates...a gun isn't the problem. If that were the case...well we would have politicians going after the manufacturers for making AI death machines like Terminator wouldn't we? But skynet isn't online yet, and guns still require an opperator to pull the trigger. So maybe if you want to do something about people dying...you might actually try to find out the root cause and treat that?
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Concealed weapon, open mouth.

Not to mention in the summer people wear very little clothes, its easy to see who carries, almost nobody.

LOL!!!! I live in Florida man. It doesn't get much hotter here. And yet I carry every day. Either a subcompact XD (glock size) or an LCP. Nobody knows when I carry. Unless they know me. How many people know that a gun is printing or a cell phone in a holster is printing? Hell how many know it is a cell phone or a gun in my pocket?
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Who knows it's in Florida, right? Maybe, he can get off by saying the texting threatened him.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Who knows it's in Florida, right? Maybe, he can get off by saying the texting threatened him.

No. We are pretty good at handing out convictions. Just cause you didn't like the result of one trial doesn't mean the whole state is corrupt ;).
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Always the same with you. Dood wants to talk overall murder rates, I say fine...lets DO talk overall murder rates and REAL solutions, not just the mindless I hate guns lets ban guns rhtetorc....and to you that is changing the subject.
Yep! It's a change of subject. Start a new thread if you want to bitch about violence in general.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Awwww...look how cute you are. Yes...I am going to use suicide rates in non-gun states just as readily as anti-gun people look to Japan as their 'model'. of success.
Yeah, we'll just assume Japanese society is the same as the West - no socially accepted suicides. :lamo
 
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