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Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

You are the one lumping all gun homicides together....please prove that legally permitted people...which we are discussing here in this thread...are out there committing homicides.

I don't think they have these stats.

So I guess I can claim that most if them were, and I'd be as correct as anyone.
 
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I'd like to see proof of that.

But at the same time...if the laws pertaining to vehicle ownership and use are so vast and comprehensive....then they are failing miserably.

What makes you think more of the same would be effective for gun ownership and use?

LOL. Does this mean you think that less regulation and more availability- say handgun bending machines- would lead to no additional problems?
 
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So I guess I can claim that most if them were, and I'd be as correct as anyone.

That is a quite common democrat belief.
 
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That does not matter (and it's not really true. A large % of the population are in urban and suburban areas with access to public transportation and otherwise it is just a matter of convenience, which AMericans are very used to.)....what matters is THE DEATH and INJURY numbers.
I live in an urban area and the nearest bus route is 2 miles away. The closest bus stop to my work is another 2 miles. I doubt my employer would keep me on if I showed up every day after walking 4 miles - half of that with no sidewalks. Many others in America are in the same boat. That "large %" you profess that has access to public transportation is bunk. Maybe NYC but not most of the country.


Need has nothing to do with it. Millions of Americans are carrying firearms (that according to you, they dont need) and the rates of death/injury are MUCH MUCH less.
Need has everything to do with it.


And as an American citizen, your attempt to try to limit people's ownership and use of something they dont 'need' is what is ludicrous.
MY attempt?!? :lamo
You're probably a gun control freak compared to me. In the future don't bother referring to MY attempts at anything unless you know what the hell you're talking about.


Forget speed limits...if AMericans REALLY cared ONLY about a NEED for transportation we would all be driving EXTREMELY safe, very heavy, very slow, probably crappy on gas mileage because they'd be heavier for safety purposes, boring cars that didnt differ much except for color. Everybody would be, by law (If you're going to 'rule' on need)....lightly armored family vans that didnt go over 40 mph (or so).

Sorry...Americans love their cars. And they love their guns.

And see my signature...in blue.
No, we would be driving slow, extremely light weight vehicles with titanium crash frames, seat belts, and air bags. The heavier the vehicle the more damage it does to the object you hit because you can't dodge the laws of physics. E(k) = mv^2 / 2
 
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BTW, there is a saying among people who carry guns, "If I thought I needed a gun, I wouldnt go there."

You NEVER know when you will need to defend yourself and your family. If you could anticipate it, you'd avoid it altoghether.

And that is actually the aim of anyone serious about self defense...awareness and avoidance.
Yet millions of people go to work every day for decades without ever owning a gun, let alone carrying one, and never have problem. Obviously, you don't need a gun to get to work or haul your groceries - unless, of course, you're car-jacking for transportation. I did need my car or I wouldn't have had a job.
 
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You can't be daft enough to think this way.
Wanna' bet? LOL!
 
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I'm not convinced that's true, at least in terms of restrictions. There seem to be very few 'restrictions' on ownership and use of cars.
What kind of insurance are you required to buy to carry your gun? Personally, I pay ~$100 / mo to the insurance company for the privilege of driving. And that's just the beginning of the restrictions. Next, should we talk about all the black and white signs on the road? Or how about a few dozen pages of traffic laws to which you have to adhere each and every mile you drive?

But I live in Missouri. We have very few restrictions on gun ownership - almost none if it's not a hand gun.
 
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Police: Texting argument in movie theater sparks fatal shooting - CNN.com



This is the other side of the coin. Some times having a "good guy" with a gun ends up being far more dangerous than what would probably have been a simple assault or verbal spat. If we had several times more people running around with firearms for "safety" I wonder how many incidents like this would increase. Humans can lose their temper and react irrationally in the moment. This reminds me of another story where a guy leaving his driveway in his truck was accosted by a door to door salesman and shot him point blank out of pure momentary rage.
We have had a several times increase in CCW. For 40 years now.
 
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Yes. Especially when you ignore and dismiss the other 14,999 incidents of gun violence per year (or is it 30k? Hard to keep up with the carnage stats).

Carry on folks. Nothing to see here.
And yet...you and people like you DO ignore those 14,999 incidents. because they occur typically in minority communities with minority victims and minority perpetrators and you dont care enough about the victims to say anything about it and are too frightened to go into the communities to go after the perpetrators. So...instead...you cherry pick the occasional tragic incident as your 'cause'.
 
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If you're drunk with a gun on you, do you get your firearms card revoked?
For conceal carry in Missouri it's illegal if it's "readily capable of lethal use" (i.e., loaded).
 
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The restrictions...observably....are pretty minimal. Laws and regulations do not equal 'restriction.'
What?!? Laws and regulations are restrictive by their very nature.
 
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We have had a several times increase in CCW. For 40 years now.

Do you have any data on it?
 
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Do you have any data on it?
"Florida has issued 2,031,106 licenses since adopting its law in 1987, and had 843,463 licensed permit holders as of July 31, 2011.[4] Reported permit holders are predominantly male.[5] Some states have reported the number of permit holders increasing over time.[6] "With hard numbers or estimates from all but three of the 49 states that have laws allowing for issuance of carry permits, the GAO reports that there were about 8 million active permits in the United States as of December 31, 2011"
 
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[snip] "With hard numbers or estimates from all but three of the 49 states that have laws allowing for issuance of carry permits, the GAO reports that there were about 8 million active permits in the United States as of December 31, 2011"
Just an FYI - that's ~3% of the US population over 17.
 
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Just an FYI - that's ~3% of the US population over 17.
And if FBI crime states can be believed less than .01% of the perpetrators of violent crimes.

The fact is that THE VAST MAJORITY of gun owners and CCW holders are honest, law abiding citizens that do not go around shooting up the streets and creating violent incidents. And while people are quick to point out stories like this as an indictment of law abiding citizens and CCW, they completely ignore the senseless acts of violence perpetrated by others. That is also very telling.
 
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Just an FYI - that's ~3% of the US population over 17.

And that's just people who have a permit. I imagine the people who actually carry on a daily basis is less than 1%.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

And if FBI crime states can be believed less than .01% of the perpetrators of violent crimes.

The fact is that THE VAST MAJORITY of gun owners and CCW holders are honest, law abiding citizens that do not go around shooting up the streets and creating violent incidents. And while people are quick to point out stories like this as an indictment of law abiding citizens and CCW, they completely ignore the senseless acts of violence perpetrated by others. That is also very telling.
"They" don't ignore the everyday violence. What makes you think that? Because they don't post it as a special event every day? Obviously, if it happens all the time it's NOT a special event and deserves no special attention. It's a problem that needs to be addressed but CC isn't going to solve it, either.
 
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And that's just people who have a permit. I imagine the people who actually carry on a daily basis is less than 1%.
I imagine you're right.


I'd guess the number of CC permits is actually going to drop (or the rate will level off) here in Missouri because we changed our laws. It is no longer illegal to have a loaded weapon on your person in a (private) vehicle, so the people who just want to have a handgun available while driving no longer need a CC permit.
 
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"They" don't ignore the everyday violence. What makes you think that? Because they don't post it as a special event every day? Obviously, if it happens all the time it's NOT a special event and deserves no special attention. It's a problem that needs to be addressed but CC isn't going to solve it, either.
"They" never say Jack **** about it. Ever.

So...to you...the epidemic of violence...meh...**** it...its just minorities killin minorities....nothing to see here. But when a white kid or adult male does it....whoa...stop the presses! Forget about the vast majority of dead bodies...there is this one shooting...lets run with that...
 
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I don't think they have these stats.

So I guess I can claim that most if them were, and I'd be as correct as anyone.

Yea, these are called lies.

Goes to lack of character.

No surprise.
 
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Texting in a theater is annoying.

I agree. But I feel death is too harsh a punishment.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

"They" don't ignore the everyday violence. What makes you think that? Because they don't post it as a special event every day? Obviously, if it happens all the time it's NOT a special event and deserves no special attention. It's a problem that needs to be addressed but CC isn't going to solve it, either.

I don't know, CC's pretty sharp. Give him a chance.
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Police: Texting argument in movie theater sparks fatal shooting - CNN.com



This is the other side of the coin. Some times having a "good guy" with a gun ends up being far more dangerous than what would probably have been a simple assault or verbal spat. If we had several times more people running around with firearms for "safety" I wonder how many incidents like this would increase. Humans can lose their temper and react irrationally in the moment. This reminds me of another story where a guy leaving his driveway in his truck was accosted by a door to door salesman and shot him point blank out of pure momentary rage.

That is grade A, 100%, FDA certified...Bull**** and you know it.

Are you really defining a guy who shoots and kills someone as a good guy who: just had a bad day? No. This guy has a mental history. I can tell you this without looking. Why? People don't snap. Given his profession...law enforcement...he likely has a history. In fact they have a very high suicide rate.

Perhaps if an actual good guy had been there we could have saved tax payer money for a trial and simply called the coroner for this **** bag.
 
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I agree. But I feel death is too harsh a punishment.

To easy a punishment. Cut their damn thumbs off for disrespecting the rest of society.

(Sarcasm)
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

I don't think they have these stats.

So I guess I can claim that most if them were, and I'd be as correct as anyone.

Do you actually believe that a majority of lawful owner of firearms commit murders? Do you think it is even a significant minority? There ARE stats on the subject. Most murders are not committed by LAWFUL gun owners. Many are committed by unlawful owners. Which by their nature make any law irrelevant.
 
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