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Police:Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested[W:308

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Verax said:
Do you think its unfair to consider cc'ers as sometimes dangerous? And yes I consider every other vehicle on the road with me as a constant threat that is trying to kill me. I spend a lot more time worrying about a vehicle slamming into my daughter's face than a bullet.
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So do I (re: vehicles)

In general do I regard CC'ers as sometimes dangerous? No more so than other people out in public.
 
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rocket88 said:
Eventually it did, yes.
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And people who would choose to stand their ground and shoot to prove a point when they have a safe option to retreat..."just because they can" and they 'dont give ground anybody,' would do well to remember what it cost Zimmerman.
 
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Superfly said:
The movie hadn't even started yet. While I agree that it's annoying during the movie, at least during the previews, people should be able to do what they want without having to worry about being shot. :roll:
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Actually I hope every idiot who feels they have to text everywhere reads this and lives in constant fear. While I don't endorse the retired cop shooting this asshat, perhaps it will act as an example that will moderate the future behavior of the morons who can't put their phones down.
 
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Well, the ex-cop was obviously cursed with that annoying Type A/Alpha Dog personality that makes up a lot of today's police forces. But, that being said, we do need cops. Some bullies just never grow up.

So, take an Alpha-Dog kind of person, add a gun to the equation, along with a person unwilling to cry, "Uncle," to the Alpha Dog and submit themselves to the Alpha Dog's self-conceived notion they have a right to rule over others and make them submit, and this is what you get.

The news clip I watched, unless I did not see it correctly, the ex-cop who was charged with 2nd degree murder wasn't even handcuffed when he was taken to the police car. I suspect he was given high-fives at the police station. He'll probably get probation, if anything at all.

Folks, the police state is coming. Best adapt and improvise.

 
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Lursa said:
And people who would choose to stand their ground and shoot to prove a point when they have a safe option to retreat..."just because they can" and they 'dont give ground anybody,' would do well to remember what it cost Zimmerman.
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Regardless, it doesn't change this particular case. Even if thrown popcorn hits you in the face, your life is not in danger.
 
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rocket88 said:
Regardless, it doesn't change this particular case. Even if thrown popcorn hits you in the face, your life is not in danger.
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I didnt say it changed anything...or claimed his life was in danger.

If anything, I implied the opposite, but that would only have been coincidental subtext.
 
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X Factor said:
My suspicion is that what started as an argument over the texting ended up getting hostile and the old guy (a retired police officer) felt he was in some danger.
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Ah yes... the ole "I am scared for my life despite being armed to the teeth" excuse for shooting people. Seems all the rage these days!11!11After all, it's 'Merica for ****'s sake, and anyone in 'Merica can shoot people because they made them pee their pants in fear. Boo! :roll:
 
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Verax said:
Police: Texting argument in movie theater sparks fatal shooting - CNN.com



This is the other side of the coin. Some times having a "good guy" with a gun ends up being far more dangerous than what would probably have been a simple assault or verbal spat. If we had several times more people running around with firearms for "safety" I wonder how many incidents like this would increase. Humans can lose their temper and react irrationally in the moment. This reminds me of another story where a guy leaving his driveway in his truck was accosted by a door to door salesman and shot him point blank out of pure momentary rage.
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Cops have broken brains.... The judicial system has reenforced time and time again that cops are above the law and can do whatever the hell they want, when they want without consequence or minimal consequences.

Cops shoot first and ask questions later.... That's why they love their tasers - they just love the idea of hurting anyone who doesn't obey their commands - even off duty.

Hell, look at all the off duty cops here in Chicago that have gotten busted for beating the **** out of people while off duty "for not getting their way" and have gotten off with a slap on the wrist and in some cases even kept their job...

Look at Drew Peterson (2 dead wives) while he plays stupid and his cop buddies believe it was all a coincidence...

John Burge is another example here in Chicago - that **** tortured people into confessing to crimes they didn't commit for 20-years straight before the truth came out about that sick clown (he only got 4 years)...

Cops are bad people who once they have it in their mind that you're a bad guy or a "punk" they believe they have the authority to use any force necessary to resolve THEIR problem with you (not a problem but THEIR problem)...
 
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Lursa said:
How do you go from 25% to less than 1%?
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25% of the 100k CC permit holders in Utah. If 100% of them carried at all times it would amount to about 3% of the population.
 
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rocket88 said:
Yes, throwing popcorn made him fear for his life :roll:
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Technically, I believe that's still assault and battery. Not much evidence to present, though, except eye witness accounts and some butter on the shirt. lol!
 
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SMTA said:
Yup.

Just because I feel threatened by clowns does not justify a shooting rampage at Toys-R-Us.
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You said clowns so I thought you were talking about Congress ...
 
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Verax said:
25% of the 100k CC permit holders in Utah. If 100% of them carried at all times it would amount to about 3% of the population.
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What? What is the 25% of the 100,000 cc permit holders 25% of? Why are you taking 25,000 of the top? I cant even formulate a question to properly ask...it's so random.

And you cant use total Utah population...I wrote that elsewhere. You have to deduct anyone under 18 or 21, whatever the permitted age, and then account for the elderly/prisoners in homes/prisons, things like that, and then convicted felons who shouldnt carry.

THEN you have a number much higher than 3%.
 
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MoSurveyor said:
Technically, I believe that's still assault and battery. Not much evidence to present, though, except eye witness accounts and some butter on the shirt. lol!
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Nope, it's assault and buttery.



(sorry, couldnt resist. totally awful!)
 
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Lursa said:
What? What is the 25% of the 100,000 cc permit holders 25% of? Why are you taking 25,000 of the top? I cant even formulate a question to properly ask...it's so random.

And you cant use total Utah population...I wrote that elsewhere. You have to deduct anyone under 18 or 21, whatever the permitted age, and then account for the elderly/prisoners in homes/prisons, things like that, and then convicted felons who shouldnt carry.

THEN you have a number much higher than 1%.
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I said earlier 25% was a number I just made up because I have no idea what percentage of cc holders actively carry. So all things considered instead of .8% it could amount to.. 1.5%?, or 4% if 100% of cc holders actively carry all the time? its still not very much, the precise amount is not important.
 
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MichaelJR said:
What's odd, CA has one of the highest number of gun owners in the country. Sort of an anomaly. CCW licenses out there are like unicorns though.
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You should look at percentages instead of raw numbers. CA has the biggest population of any state beating out #2 Texas by a whopping 44%+. I would expect to find a very large number of guns on CA. What you won't find is a high percentage of gun ownership. CA is one of the lowest for that.
 
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Who would expect an ex-cop to do this? Even if permits were highly restricted, who would not support an ex-cop having one. What happened is complete insanity and a terrible tragedy.

That's why I don't support gun laws. It's just too late now. We must accept their presence and conduct ourselves accordingly. Being an asshole in public is always risky - why call attention to yourself? Be nice and you'll likely not be a victim.

As Kurt would say....so it goes....
 
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Lursa said:
Otherwise, you probably be very surprised at the number of people that are armed. I mean...how would you know?
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The bulge in their jacket?
 
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specklebang said:
Who would expect an ex-cop to do this? Even if permits were highly restricted, who would not support an ex-cop having one. What happened is complete insanity and a terrible tragedy.

That's why I don't support gun laws. It's just too late now. We must accept their presence and conduct ourselves accordingly. Being an asshole in public is always risky - why call attention to yourself? Be nice and you'll likely not be a victim.

As Kurt would say....so it goes....
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Ex-cop, active cop.... This doesn't surprise me in the least.

Next week, it will just be a different cop(s) in a different city.

All of the news just repeats itself.

It's time we stop children. What's that sound? Everybody look what's going down.
 
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Middleground said:
Ah yes... the ole "I am scared for my life despite being armed to the teeth" excuse for shooting people. Seems all the rage these days!11!11After all, it's 'Merica for ****'s sake, and anyone in 'Merica can shoot people because they made them pee their pants in fear. Boo! :roll:
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Well, that was just speculation on my part since I wasn't there. As with Zimmerman, I'll reserve my judgment for when I know what the legally competent evidence shows.
 
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Lursa said:
What is relevant is actual risk. And actual risk of death is far far greater in or by a car. That cant be denied yet because of cultural perceptions....we Americans do indeed deny it. Every day. Multiple times.

And there are just as many rules for 'using' a gun safely in public as there are for traffic safety. At least comparable. So attempting to create some distinction here is more foolish, IMO.

All that matters is public safety, right? Isnt that the issue with guns, concealed carry? It's hypocritical in the face of the deaths and injury every single day by vehicle.
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Driving in most of the US is a requirement, not an option. Maybe your public transportation system is great but in most cities they aren't and they don't even exist in rural areas. When you NEED a gun to get to work or haul supplies just to live, let me know. Until then, yes, driving is a different subject.


If you're championing a return to the 55 MPH speed limit that's another subject - but that's mostly a money thing, talk to the corporations. Again, not the same as CC. Your comparison of CC and driving is ludicrous at best.
 
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Lursa said:
Nope, it's assault and buttery.



(sorry, couldnt resist. totally awful!)
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Mmmmm....salty and buttery....
 
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Superfly said:
Then he'll definitely walk!!
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stand your ground! That popcorn butter can be hot!
 
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MoSurveyor said:
You said clowns so I thought you were talking about Congress ...
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Damn I wish I had thought of that.
 
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