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Police:Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested[W:308

Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

Superfly said:
So apparently, the cop asked the texter on 3 different occasions to stop texting, and the guy refused. The texter was sitting in front of the cop, so the light might have been bothering the cop. Also, according to reports, the texter was making noise, as well. The cop gets up and goes out to the lobby to alert the staff. When he comes back, the texter gets all up in his bi'ness, yelling at him, asking him if he "told on him."

The argument escalated, popcorn was thrown and grampa shot the texter.
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Yes, throwing popcorn made him fear for his life :roll:
 
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rocket88 said:
Yes, throwing popcorn made him fear for his life :roll:
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That moron just got pissed and killed a man over nothing.

As an ex cop, he absolutely should have known better.

Moron.
 
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MichaelJR said:
Rare instance.

Second, there are 88,000,000 Americans with guns (actually, 2013 was a HUGE bump in that number, namely in the 21 - 30 age group, half being females)...nearly between 1/4 - 1/3 Americans with a gun. If there was an increase by 'several times'....well everyone would carry.

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Yes, that's a real number, per FBI crime database. Please don't bother disputing it, FBI crime database is one of those things you can't really twist. Compiling data from all local/state/fed police across the country basically 24/7. Instances where a gun was pulled, fired, present, and prevented a crime from occurring...be that assault/rape/robbery/attempted murder/etc.

So...given the one rare instance of the such, I'd hardly call it something discussing.

What makes me happy, is that 320,000,000 number jumped substantially in 2013. :) 21,093,273 to be exact per FBI database. And yes, it makes me feel safer....I was responsible for 21 of those.
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Gun ownership in your home and CC, walking around with one are very different things. Did you say you bought 21 guns last year?
 
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SMTA said:
That moron just got pissed and killed a man over nothing.

As an ex cop, he absolutely should have known better.

Moron.
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I'm waiting for the usual suspects to jump in and take his side. Certain people for whom the gun owner is never wrong....
 
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rocket88 said:
It's bound to come up now. It's like the lesson everybody learned from Zimmerman is it's OK as long as you claim you felt threatened (which is completely the wrong lesson).
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Yup.

Just because I feel threatened by clowns does not justify a shooting rampage at Toys-R-Us.
 
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Verax said:
Gun ownership in your home and CC, walking around with one are very different things. Did you say you bought 21 guns last year?
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CC is synonymous with ownership in most states. In today's climate, about 3/4 of that number carries, and basically all of the newcomers (especially women) bought guns with the sole purpose of CCW.

21, yes sir. A fair amount of them are super evil black rifles. I'm 28, been buying them up since I was 21. 2013 was a big gun year for me :) Actually, since the new year I've already picked up another 4 AR lowers and two handguns. 2014 will be good too.

Did I mention the copious amounts of ammo I have? I make it a habit to buy a box of defense ammo weekly (as I reload my own range rounds, no need to buy FMJ anymore)
 
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MichaelJR said:
CC is synonymous with ownership in most states. In today's climate, about 3/4 of that number carries, and basically all of the newcomers (especially women) bought guns with the sole purpose of CCW.

21, yes sir. A fair amount of them are super evil black rifles. I'm 28, been buying them up since I was 21. 2013 was a big gun year for me :) Actually, since the new year I've already picked up another 4 AR lowers and two handguns. 2014 will be good too.

Did I mention the copious amounts of ammo I have? I make it a habit to buy a box of defense ammo weekly (as I reload my own range rounds, no need to buy FMJ anymore)
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Are you suggesting like... every 3rd person carries a firearm? The states I've lived in, its pretty uncommon for someone to be armed...
 
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scatt said:
We should disarm cops, sounds good.
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The second word in the report is, 'retired'.
 
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rocket88 said:
I can agree that it's annoying, but shooting them seems a bit extreme.
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Depends on the movie.
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm waiting for the usual suspects to jump in and take his side. Certain people for whom the gun owner is never wrong....
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I take the side of letting this play out in the criminal justice system and I favor the defendant being afforded all constitutional protections unlike those who are ready to string him up right now.
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm waiting for the usual suspects to jump in and take his side. Certain people for whom the gun owner is never wrong....
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I take the side of letting this play out in the criminal justice system and I favor the defendant being afforded all constitutional protections unlike those who are ready to string him up right now.
 
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Grand Mal said:
The second word in the report is, 'retired'.
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He obtained his mentality from the job.
 
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SMTA said:
That moron just got pissed and killed a man over nothing.

As an ex cop, he absolutely should have known better.

Moron.
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I agree. Obviously gramps had an issue with anger. He was wrong and destroyed two families with his hot headedness. All I was saying was that the guy was standing up yelling at him, and if the guy asked him three times, the guy should have turned off the phone. But he certainly shouldn't have been shot over it.
 
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Verax said:
Are you suggesting like... every 3rd person carries a firearm? The states I've lived in, its pretty uncommon for someone to be armed...
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Well you're a progressive....so I'll assume you've lived in IL, MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, CA? I live in MA, I will confirm what you're saying...there's only about 400,000 of us with licenses. The overwhelming majority don't. However, the younger generation is really grabbing the concept here and jumping on the 2A wagon. I can't tell you how many people are getting into it. Girls especially.

As for that number, I'm going just based on licenses and population of the country.

What's odd, CA has one of the highest number of gun owners in the country. Sort of an anomaly. CCW licenses out there are like unicorns though.
 
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Superfly said:
I agree. Obviously gramps had an issue with anger. He was wrong and destroyed two families with his hot headedness. All I was saying was that the guy was standing up yelling at him, and if the guy asked him three times, the guy should have turned off the phone. But he certainly shouldn't have been shot over it.
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I'll agree here.

It's a bit extreme. As annoying as cell use is, he should have just tasered him (too early for that joke?)
 
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scatt said:
job.
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Perhaps scented candles in movie theatres would suffice.
 
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MichaelJR said:
What's odd, CA has one of the highest number of gun owners in the country. Sort of an anomaly. CCW licenses out there are like unicorns though.
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That is because before it was a democrat stronghold it was a republican stronghold.
 
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MichaelJR said:
Well you're a progressive....so I'll assume you've lived in IL, MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, CA? I live in MA, I will confirm what you're saying...there's only about 400,000 of us with licenses. The overwhelming majority don't. However, the younger generation is really grabbing the concept here and jumping on the 2A wagon. I can't tell you how many people are getting into it. Girls especially.

As for that number, I'm going just based on licenses and population of the country.

What's odd, CA has one of the highest number of gun owners in the country. Sort of an anomaly. CCW licenses out there are like unicorns though.
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LoL, you know where I've lived because of a label next to my name? I've lived all over the West U.S., in Utah currently. Funnily enough every person I know that does CC is a poser who thinks they are Steven Seagal on the verge of foiling some violent criminal activity, and they love the attention they get about carrying. I'm sure most aren't like that but... its funny.
 
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Verax said:
LoL, you know where I've lived because of a label next to my name? I've lived all over the West U.S., in Utah currently. Funnily enough every person I know that does CC is a poser who thinks they are Steven Seagal on the verge of foiling some violent criminal activity, and they love the attention they get about carrying. I'm sure most aren't like that but... its funny.
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Oh man, Utah has a HUGE number of people that carry. They love their guns out there.
 
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reinoe said:
Ah yes. The first sentence of the story.

So then this wasn't a guy texting to the annoyance of his neighbors during the movie. The ex-police officer just decided to be a **** stirrer because he had a gun.
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I had a woman sitting next to me in a theater ask me to stop reading my email on my phone during previews. Said the light bothered her. I politely said I would stop when the movie started. I guess the previews are important to some people. Oh well.

Just my guess but I think she was more worried I'd keep doing it during the movie. Which I did not. Maybe it was the same with this guy, not like it was remotely an excuse for shooting.
 
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ChunkySalsa said:
Police officers initiating conflict with peaceable citizens while disregarding everyone's safety, security and comfort?

It does indeed sound crazy...to hear that someone isn't already expecting such behavior from our criminal Justice system.
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Cops get arrested for stuff around here all the time. Drugs, domestic abuse, DUI.

This guy was retired, 71...maybe he had Alzheimers or was starting to get senile.
 
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Verax said:
Gun ownership in your home and CC, walking around with one are very different things. Did you say you bought 21 guns last year?
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How so? The purpose is the same anyway...self defense.
 
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Verax said:
Are you suggesting like... every 3rd person carries a firearm? The states I've lived in, its pretty uncommon for someone to be armed...
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Which states? NJ? MD? IL? WI until very recently? (not a complete list)

Otherwise, you probably be very surprised at the number of people that are armed. I mean...how would you know?
 
Re: Police: Texting in movie theater sparks fatal shooting, retired officer arrested

MichaelJR said:
Well you're a progressive....so I'll assume you've lived in IL, MA, RI, CT, NY, NJ, CA? I live in MA, I will confirm what you're saying...there's only about 400,000 of us with licenses. The overwhelming majority don't. However, the younger generation is really grabbing the concept here and jumping on the 2A wagon. I can't tell you how many people are getting into it. Girls especially.

As for that number, I'm going just based on licenses and population of the country.

What's odd, CA has one of the highest number of gun owners in the country. Sort of an anomaly. CCW licenses out there are like unicorns though.
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What's the population of MA? 400,000 isnt that few if you remove anyone under 21 (18 in MA?) that cant cc and alot of elderly people in homes, felons that arent supposed to, etc.
 
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Lursa said:
How so? The purpose is the same anyway...self defense.
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Being in your own home and protecting yourself from an intruder is a pretty clear cut case. There is little question lethal force should be an option for the defender. An armed person in public is a very different situation. Now they are entrusted with the responsibility of when to use lethal force in an environment that rarely requires it. You get idiots like Zimmerman who go looking for trouble then have to kill their way out in fear. You get this guy who apparently snapped and killed someone over texting in a theater... The point I'm trying to make is that CC is not a unipolar positive, there are negatives associated with it as well.
 
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